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I have been an avid supporter of Donald Trump since he began his campaign, what I can't understand is how with all the scandals and corruption surrounding Hillary Clinton that people still support her and want her to be president. I know that no candidate is perfect, but I strongly believe that Trump has America's best interest at heart and he is not a politician and that is exactly what we need in the White House. So for those of you that support Hillary Clinton, please give me factual reasons as to why you support her and not Trump.
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Playing devils advocate here for a moment... people support Clinton because she stinks less than Trump. Meanwhile much better candidates who don't stink of arrogance and corruption are ignored... because the 55% of Americans who hate Clinton and the 65% of Americans that hate Trump aren't smart enough to realize that they could simply elect someone else.
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Deborah Gregson
I voted for Ben Carson. I was astounded this time, like I was in 2012 that of the millions of people in this country the 20 some odd they offered us were such sorry choices. I just don't understand that. Where are the good leaders, visionaries, patriots? Are they too smart to be in politics?
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
SSG (Join to see) I think that vast majority of Americans would LOVE to elect someone else... but the idea that Trump or Clinton (whichever they oppose) would win because of their third-party vote is a worse prospect. This election isn't about voting FOR anyone, it's about voting against them.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski - That is the bill of goods the American people are being sold. The reality though, is that there are other parties, and electing a Libertarian or a Green president would be preferable to rewarding the Democrats or Republicans with the presidency.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
SSG (Join to see) - I agree. And I'd love to see that happen. But it won't until a major third-party candidate gets enough traction during the primary season.
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When the number one reason anybody is voting for either of these candidates is that they're not the other candidate, you know our country is falling apart.
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Our country is not falling apart. This is surely just a bump in the road. In the military we are all masters of adapting to our surroundings and fighting our way through whatever lies in front of us. The same can be said for Americans as a whole. Are we not continuously molding ourselves? We are a determined and incredibly resilient conglomerate of amazing people and I'm damn proud of that. The simple fact that we have the power to change whatever we don't like is what keeps my mind at ease.
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You will note, SPC Cody Voye, absolutely nothing of substance came up in the responses. I'm with you, he wasn't my first choice, but a clear majority voted for him and he has all the right issues. Most on here know why Hillary should not be our next president. If there was not a D by her name she would lose half her fans and she were not female the other half would use their eyes and brain and see how corrupt she is. We all would like to see an honest competent woman run and become our first female president.
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My rule is never talk about politics or religion. It's asking for a debate and asking for someone to see eye to eye on something that won't be accomplished.
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PO1 Todd Cousins
I didn't feel insulted if that counts and I can understand your thoughts. There are many posts on here I don't reply simply because they are, in my opinion, blatant attempts to entrap people and start fights. I didn't think this one was and I didn't think your response was either. I was just trying to share, and maybe failing miserably at it, that to never debate a subject isn't right in my mind. A good debate lets everyone look at what is being discussed from more then one angel and grows their understanding. A fight just makes people look silly. Long story short I was just saying don't make a hard and fast rule about things. Avoid the fights in religion and politics is good and smart but when you avoid good natured debate you may miss an idea or angel you had never seen. I hope that is clearer but knowing me it isn't.
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PO1 Todd Cousins - Much more clear to me now. It wouldn't have been the first time I read in to something wrong and I appreciate you takin to time to re-explain. I do agree with you there is a healthy and productive type of debate or conversation that can and should take place and that fighting is never productive or worth it in the long run. Just a little history on me and why I don't talk about politics or religion is that growing up my immediate family was forever at odds because my dad was episcopalian, my mother Catholic and I would often end up in two different churches on weekends because they wanted me to choose "the right one", but both of them would get upset if I picked the other. My father is also a die hard democrat and doesn't let you get a word out edgewise about your opinions if they differ. So, I imagine that's just deep- rooted in to why I don't like those topics. Other than that, I feel I'm pretty good at sharing my thoughts or opinions on just about anything.
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PO1 Todd Cousins
I was lucky there. Not sure what mom was but dad was like me neutral with conservative leanings. We were all Luthern but didn't think that made us any more right then our neighbors.
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Hillary Clinton is a walking venereal disease, to even think of supporting her even with a poor selection of others is tantamount to insanity. But considering those that voted for the current failure at least twice and sometimes 10-12 times not counting the dead its expected. Clinton and her cronies stink worse than an entire toxic waste dump.
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The so-called scandals are a cottage industry running the last 25 years by right-wing smear groups. I don't believe anything coming from so-called news sites with "Patriot", "Tea Party", "Conservative" or other such words in their names, nor do I trust anything from Fox News or the talking heads like Hannity, O'Reilly or Limbaugh.
As far as I'm concerned, Hillary Clinton has had one scandal, the email, and while stupid to use your own server, it is not unprecedented as her immediately two predecessors did the exact same thing. While I don't condone it, I don't think it rises to the level of Trump's racism, misogyny, peddling of conspiracy theory (just about anything he says after the words "Many people are saying..." and a campaign strategy low on policy and high on schoolyard name-calling (Lyin' Ted, Little Marco, Crooked Hillary, Pocahontas, etc.).
So how do I support Hillary Clinton? By researching her through outfits I do trust like Snopes, Politifact, Factcheck.org and REAL media sites like CNN, Al Jazeera English, BBC World Service (what the right-wing zealots call the vast left-wing media conspiracy).
How else do I support her? Well the most important way is my vote, but also with financial donations to her and to Democratic challengers in senate campaigns that I hope to flip from red to blue to take back the senate. Why? Because as an educated straight-ally of the LGBT community, a male feminist, a white supporter of African American, Hispanic American and other minority groups, an advocate for immigration reform, and perhaps most importantly, an extremely strong believer in the separation of church and state, I cannot stand the possibility of religious conservatives being appointed to the supreme court.
That's how I support Hillary Clinton, and that is why I would vote for a can of spoiled tuna before I voted for Donald Trump, and that is why I won't consider a third-party candidate unless I thought he or she had any chance at all of winning, which I do not for 2016.
As far as I'm concerned, Hillary Clinton has had one scandal, the email, and while stupid to use your own server, it is not unprecedented as her immediately two predecessors did the exact same thing. While I don't condone it, I don't think it rises to the level of Trump's racism, misogyny, peddling of conspiracy theory (just about anything he says after the words "Many people are saying..." and a campaign strategy low on policy and high on schoolyard name-calling (Lyin' Ted, Little Marco, Crooked Hillary, Pocahontas, etc.).
So how do I support Hillary Clinton? By researching her through outfits I do trust like Snopes, Politifact, Factcheck.org and REAL media sites like CNN, Al Jazeera English, BBC World Service (what the right-wing zealots call the vast left-wing media conspiracy).
How else do I support her? Well the most important way is my vote, but also with financial donations to her and to Democratic challengers in senate campaigns that I hope to flip from red to blue to take back the senate. Why? Because as an educated straight-ally of the LGBT community, a male feminist, a white supporter of African American, Hispanic American and other minority groups, an advocate for immigration reform, and perhaps most importantly, an extremely strong believer in the separation of church and state, I cannot stand the possibility of religious conservatives being appointed to the supreme court.
That's how I support Hillary Clinton, and that is why I would vote for a can of spoiled tuna before I voted for Donald Trump, and that is why I won't consider a third-party candidate unless I thought he or she had any chance at all of winning, which I do not for 2016.
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SFC (Join to see)
SCPO Penny Douphinett - You're right, you are nitpicking, however, I can see where what I said can be interpreted that way. So let's address this point. I specifically exempted rape and incest and danger to the mother from the "no abortion" point, and I did in fact contradict myself in the way I wrote the next part. So to clarify, in those instances, it should be a medical procedure covered by a persons insurance, ours happens to be paid by U.S. And subsidized by the taxpayer, so this would be an instance where the taxpayers would indeed foot the bill for an abortion. Of course there will be hardliners that would still be opposed to it, but I'm not one of them. I do not believe however, that planned parenthood should receive $500M every year when their main revenue stream is abortion. If they want to take that same amount of money and provide the services of wellness and checkups to women that can't afford them, rock on, cause I'm fine with that. But a night of bad decisions and regret should not be a reason for a tax payer funded "get out of kids free card".
Also, I do not believe ANY church should be funded by the taxpayers, I thought I was pretty clear on that point but I apologize if you interpreted it otherwise. I don't want government funds inside my church because of the influence they can wield anymore than you want my church in the government for the influence it can wield. Same same.
Also, I do not believe ANY church should be funded by the taxpayers, I thought I was pretty clear on that point but I apologize if you interpreted it otherwise. I don't want government funds inside my church because of the influence they can wield anymore than you want my church in the government for the influence it can wield. Same same.
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LTC (Join to see)
SCPO Penny Douphinett - I'd go further. Free morning-after pills and abortions treated no differently from any medical procedure with regard to funding.
We already have rules on when an abortion is legal (only before viability outside the womb), and the law says before that it is a woman's choice. Perfect, let her choose just like we let everyone choose all of their other legal medical treatment.
Your religion says abortion is evil? Great, don't get one.
We already have rules on when an abortion is legal (only before viability outside the womb), and the law says before that it is a woman's choice. Perfect, let her choose just like we let everyone choose all of their other legal medical treatment.
Your religion says abortion is evil? Great, don't get one.
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Don't like abortions? Don't get one. Easy...ok. Don't like guns? Don't buy one. Can anyone tell me the difference between the two? One's a right. A right to own a firearm. Oh wait, the other is a right as well. A right for the baby to live. A woman has no right to end a defenseless baby's life because she has a night of regrets. Yes, rape and incest are special cases. But consensual sex should not allow a woman to murder a baby. My wife and I just had my a son, and we can't imagine life without him.
As far as the black, women, LGBT discrimination goes...Maj Andrew Fishkin, have you paid your reparations and renounced your misogynistic, white privilege today? Have you promised the LGBT community, that in order to show support, you will now be gay, bi, or a tranny? I've read your posts for quite some time now. I find your writing interesting in the fact that you are so far left, you have to drag your left arm on the ground to walk. You claim to not discriminate, but yet bash Christianity while sucking the teat of the Islam façade. You call anyone who disagrees with you a racist, but yet you block conservative blacks and go on your merry way without a reply. You call conservatives Islamophobes but you are a hypocritical Christophobe. You fear Christianity like its the boogieman. You, sir, need to take a step back and look in the mirror long and hard. You fear monger people into thinking if they don't agree with you then they are racist, bigoted, blah blah blah.
Maj Andrew Fishkin, you've said in past posts that not all muslims are bad, not all BLM supporters are bad, the right lies about the sky being blue and the Earth is round. But you never once look at the possibility that maybe, HRC is an evil woman, Trump has told the truth but has exaggerated, and left conspiracy theorists about everything opposite of the right might be completely false. But after all, "what difference does it make" since your world hangs so far to the left, you can hear sewage run under the streets.
As far as the black, women, LGBT discrimination goes...Maj Andrew Fishkin, have you paid your reparations and renounced your misogynistic, white privilege today? Have you promised the LGBT community, that in order to show support, you will now be gay, bi, or a tranny? I've read your posts for quite some time now. I find your writing interesting in the fact that you are so far left, you have to drag your left arm on the ground to walk. You claim to not discriminate, but yet bash Christianity while sucking the teat of the Islam façade. You call anyone who disagrees with you a racist, but yet you block conservative blacks and go on your merry way without a reply. You call conservatives Islamophobes but you are a hypocritical Christophobe. You fear Christianity like its the boogieman. You, sir, need to take a step back and look in the mirror long and hard. You fear monger people into thinking if they don't agree with you then they are racist, bigoted, blah blah blah.
Maj Andrew Fishkin, you've said in past posts that not all muslims are bad, not all BLM supporters are bad, the right lies about the sky being blue and the Earth is round. But you never once look at the possibility that maybe, HRC is an evil woman, Trump has told the truth but has exaggerated, and left conspiracy theorists about everything opposite of the right might be completely false. But after all, "what difference does it make" since your world hangs so far to the left, you can hear sewage run under the streets.
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LTC (Join to see)
TSgt (Join to see) - When have I ever said to ban guns? I happen to own four and have a CCW.
As for Clinton and Trump, I've followed both, and made my decision. Trump has not exaggerated, and if he has, shame on him. When running for the highest elected office in the free world one must know how to control his words.
Oh, and welcome to my extreme-right block list by the way. Enjoy the view.
As for Clinton and Trump, I've followed both, and made my decision. Trump has not exaggerated, and if he has, shame on him. When running for the highest elected office in the free world one must know how to control his words.
Oh, and welcome to my extreme-right block list by the way. Enjoy the view.
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I don't support that haggard criminal unless we're rallying for the indictment... TRUMP 16
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I noticed a lot of comments were about Hilary being corrupt and Trump being a better candidate because he's not a politician. Although I do enjoy Trump's refusal to be politically correct, you have to draw a line. He won't be able to accomplish much working with politicians if he refuses to be one. Also, a lot of republicans are withdrawing their support for Trump. Trump might not have any scandals, but there's more than one way of being corrupt. The email scandal was blown out of proportion and mis-represented. She never sent or had classified emails on her server. They were classified afterwards. So those who don't want to vote for her because of that, you should do more research. Also, the Benghazi incident was misrepresented. She wasn't the sole decision maker like most people like to say. So how corrupt is Hilary after all?
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The FBI director admitted that she did send and receive multiple classified emails through multiple personal servers during her term as Secretary of State. And she lied about it and still to this day there are still tens of thousands of emails still missing.
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SSG(P) (Join to see) - You can speculate about the missing emails all day long. It doesn't change the verdict.
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There was no verdict because there was no trial. No criminal charges. I wouldn't have charges brought against me either if I could afford to pay someone off.
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I'm not going to talk about either of them, I will just say Gary Johnson has my vote.
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Out of both candidate who I feel are horrible, I will benefit out of only one, and it's not Donald Trump.
I don't just look at the candidate, but also the people supporting the candidate. I see more eye to eye with Hillary supporters than I do Trump supporters. There for, I'm voting in the best interest of myself, and my people.
The United States president is a reflection of what America wants. If Trump wins the election, that means there are more that believe in Trump than Hillary and I will understand and accept that.
I don't just look at the candidate, but also the people supporting the candidate. I see more eye to eye with Hillary supporters than I do Trump supporters. There for, I'm voting in the best interest of myself, and my people.
The United States president is a reflection of what America wants. If Trump wins the election, that means there are more that believe in Trump than Hillary and I will understand and accept that.
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1LT (Join to see)
I would say the guy who consistently calls our military a disaster and weak is the one being disrespectful . He disrespected a gold star family. He even said he doesn't like POWs and stated that he would force the military to kill the family of terrorists, which is a war crime. How much more can Donald Trump disrespect the military before y'all revolt. What has Hillary Clinton done that disrespect the military? I am voting for Hillary because it's in my best interest to do so. She is more knowledgeable in both foreign and domestic policies than her opponent. She has the temperament for the job. And most important, the economy does better when democrats occupy the White House. The stock market tends to be more stable, which is a very big deal for me, as I depend greatly on it for my retirement.
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Yeah, I hate hearing that only the right support the military as well. The left supports the military, but are not as vocal about it. Of course there are those that don't support at all, but there's always a black sheep somewhere.
There are plenty of other reasons why I vote Hillary over Trump, but I like to come off as a corrupt Wall Street Banker Lawyer type guys. I feel that we can all nitpick at our candidates and find reasons why they do, or do not support the military. Personally, I am am against military spending, but that's because a lot of it goes to useless programs, etc. If we were to focus our efforts to the mission, and programs that actually matter, I'll give my support. I actually don't own stock in the defense sector, I own in banking and finance.
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Agreed Roodly. with her foreign and domestic policy. I try to imagine Donald Trump addressing the State of Union, of having meetings with foreign leaders, and honestly, I cannot see it. Our allies may not have the same type of respect with Donald Trump as they will have with Hillary Clinton, who is great at foreign affairs. One can argue that the United States is the leader of the free world, and we also represent the free world. We have our pride as a nation, but at the same time, we also want to have our allies respect and keep a good relationship with us. Looking at statistics and polls, it does seem that the economy gets better when there is a Democrat in the White House. It may just be a coincidence.
Yeah, I hate hearing that only the right support the military as well. The left supports the military, but are not as vocal about it. Of course there are those that don't support at all, but there's always a black sheep somewhere.
There are plenty of other reasons why I vote Hillary over Trump, but I like to come off as a corrupt Wall Street Banker Lawyer type guys. I feel that we can all nitpick at our candidates and find reasons why they do, or do not support the military. Personally, I am am against military spending, but that's because a lot of it goes to useless programs, etc. If we were to focus our efforts to the mission, and programs that actually matter, I'll give my support. I actually don't own stock in the defense sector, I own in banking and finance.
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Agreed Roodly. with her foreign and domestic policy. I try to imagine Donald Trump addressing the State of Union, of having meetings with foreign leaders, and honestly, I cannot see it. Our allies may not have the same type of respect with Donald Trump as they will have with Hillary Clinton, who is great at foreign affairs. One can argue that the United States is the leader of the free world, and we also represent the free world. We have our pride as a nation, but at the same time, we also want to have our allies respect and keep a good relationship with us. Looking at statistics and polls, it does seem that the economy gets better when there is a Democrat in the White House. It may just be a coincidence.
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