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I'm just concerned of the precedent this has now set. We do now negotiate with terrorists. They also owned us on the propaganda front (and have been for years), because of course they had video of them letting him go.
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GySgt Joel Shaver
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When PFC Bergdal walked away from his post the Battalion/Regimental Commader had to do an investigation to report up to his superiors. He would assign an investigating officer to find out as much information as possible and report his findings to his commander in a timely matter. I would say lets take a look at all of the evidence and witnesses this commander has documented along with any witnesses to the event that come forward up to present day.
I believe bringing PFC Bergdal home is important. He was never convicted/tried of anything under the UCMJ so would continue to get scheduled promotions. Now that SGT Berdal is in the United States bring forward the evidence and decide if a trial is in order. From what I have watched on the news with Soldiers coming forward their is probably not one 11B infantrymen in the US Army that would stand next to him in a fight. That is saying something about SGT Bergdals character. If convicted of desertion or whatever the charge is we shall see if a General just sweeps it under the rug since this would blemish the Presidents DIRECT involvement.
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SSgt Kevin Hopkins
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Exactly what I have been saying all along
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Cpl Glynis Sakowicz
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I am really having a problem with this whole thing. I have a cousin who was my idol when I was a child. He went to Vietnam and never came home. We heard that he was a POW, but he was slipped into MIA status, but all I know, is that he never came home.
Now, there is this guy who might possibly be not so nice, but he was considered a POW for 5 years, so I was overjoyed when he was free... and then I started hearing about the way he was "captured" How those around him said he was mailing, or asking about mailing all his things home... how he disrespected the other troops and our country, and even after that, other Americans were willing to give their lives to get him back. Six Americans died for him. I am sure there were other who were wounded in this, but I haven't heard about them yet. So, Six died for him, and five really bad people were traded for him. I don't think the scales balance in this instance.
I've heard Hillary Clinton, and that woman, Susan Rice, telling us how good a thing it is, because he "served with distinction.." I feel like I am looking at two plus two equals seven here... it just doesn't add up.
As to how one makes rank... I am not sure, but I've seen it many times in the Army. They presupose that you will have kept your nose clean and done your work... therefore you get a new rank, based on time in service... I'm not sure you could call it Meritorious though. Just saying...
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CMDCM Gene Treants
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SGT Tony O. Just a couple of points: First, he has not yet had a trial and been proven to be a Deserter. No matter what we may feel, every person subject to the UCMJ is still supposed to be tried prior to any trial by his peers in a Forum. He was promoted along with his peer group as if her were an average Soldier. BUT that brings me to

Point Two. Are we really at WAR? If we are, who declared it. He is being hailed as a prisoner of war and some on this Forum are suggesting that he is a Deserter and needs to be put to death. I believe we are not at war because the "War on Terror" was never declared by Congress and if not then the UCMJ says that even if he is a deserter and is tried and proven to be a deserter then

"Any person found guilty of desertion or attempt to desert shall be punished, if
the offense is committed in time of war, by death or such other punishment
as a court-martial may direct, but if the desertion or attempt to desert occurs
at any other time, by such punishment, other than death, as a court-martial
may direct.”

So the biggest two questions are Deserter? and War? And promotions seem to be moot.
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Treat him like the deserter he is.
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SSG Jeffrey Spencer
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How did he get the SGT without going before a board? I don't know anyone that got NCO just for living.

At the end of brief event, the soldier’s father, Bob Bergdahl, recited the most frequent phrase in the Koran — “Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Rahim” —which means “In the name of Allah, most Gracious, most Compassionate.”

After Bergdahl finished his statement and his praise for Allah, Obama hugged him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeUqBNtWpig
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SSG Spencer: The military automatically promotes any Soldier when they reach certain time points if they are an MIA/POW. They get promoted in the same time frame they could expect to get promoted with their peers. If SGT Bergdahl is later found to be guilty of desertion through a Courts Martial, he will be punished, which could include loss of rank, pay, confinement, or even death (though I think there isn't a chance in hell that that will happen).
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Story of another deserter who actually got in trouble but not much (though given his ordeal and age this may be enough as nobody was killed looking for him that I know about).....

He was sentenced to 30 days' confinement, received a dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and benefits and was reduced in rank to E-1 private (the lowest rank in the US Army). He was released six days early, on November 27, 2004, for good behavior.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Robert_Jenkins
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SSG Jeffrey Spencer
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SSG Ted Bentley
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SSG Jeffrey Spencer, it is now that anybody can get Sgt just from Tis/Tig they give it to just anybody now and I think it is a load of manure if you ask me
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I'm sure I'm not the only one who has caught this but if Bergdahl was a POW should he then not be subject to the death penalty for desertion during a time of war? Something tells me this fact will be overlooked and if he is found to be a deserter, nothing will happen.
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SSG Chemical Biological Radiological and Nuclear Operations Specialist
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Look at the Slovik case it does not reflect well on the us military.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_the_United_States_military
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SGT Cook
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Oh no the pepole will praise this guy who turned his back on his brothers and sisters because he felt like he wasn't helping afghanistan. And social media will fight for this guy no one is going to look at the law. Why have laws if you only pick and choose which ones your going to follow.
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SSG Scotto: POWs don't get prosecuted - and I'm sure you meant to say a "deserter". If he is a deserter (and the evidence from the MSM seems to point to that) then yes, he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. However, more and more people seem to believe that the "death penalty" is too harsh or cruel to be used on anyone but the most heinous murderers - and therefore, I'd say there's probably close to a 0% chance that he'll face that. In fact, I'd say there's a better than 60% chance that he won't even be tried at all with the current political climate - and if he isn't tried, I guarantee you it's going to be because of a "lack of evidence" - even though there may well be plenty.
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The point I was trying to make is this: Never has the United States Congress declared war on anyone! While this whole clusterf**k has been called the war on terror, you can't declare war on an ideology. That being said, how in the hell can Bergdahl be considered a POW if we were never officially at war? Higher ups are saying we didn't negotiate with terrorists because Bergdahl was not a hostage but rather a POW and that justifies the transaction. But how the hell can he have been a POW? And if they want to classify him as a POW for the sake of arguement, then per UCMJ he "can" be subject to the death penalty as this is an option for desertion DURING THE TIME OF WAR. But I digress, the use of the term "war" is going to be used only when suitable to push an agenda and not for when someone needs to be held accountable.
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"Meritoriously Promoted." I don't even know what that means. Promotions to SPC, SGT and SSG are automatic (based on time and eligibility criteria). While POW status, pay and entitlements continue to NOK, as well as promotions that take effect on standard timeline.
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Im just glad someone actaully stood by "leave no one behind". Now how he got in that situation is up to the Army to figure it out.
Let him come home, decompress, reintergrate, then start trial.
If true he needs to pay for his actions. BTW they need to charge Jessica Lynch too for being a false hero. Just my opinion on that.
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I just want to second what SFC Thomas said, "Leave no one behind." Now that he's is back in U.S. custody, we being the military will deal with his disciplinary actions and not the enemy.
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He was not left behind, he deserted and joined the enemy and gave them information that let to the deaths of many US troops.
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SFC Bde Mobility Nco
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Well if thats what the facts say SSG Springmann, he should be welcomed home, debriefed and assigned a lawyer so he can face these charges
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SGT Thomas Lucken
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They know 5 years ago if he deserted! This would have been reported all the way up through the chain of command! Why is it taking 5 years to bring out the details? Not going to be based just on a interview with Bergdahl.
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I know this is not directly relatable to the topic, exactly...but I think we have determine how and why he was promoted.

I have noticed something on the news today that was not as evident yesterday: many of his platoon members feel it is neccessary to violate their non-disclosure agreements to characterize his service since they feel that he was a deserter and not worth the six lives lost in attempted recovery missions.

I wonder how this may sway people's opinions. I agree that we need to let the facts come out, and hopefully this will not be one of those "well he did 5 years with the Taliban in capitivity, he has been punished enough" situations. However, if it is found that he really did desert, what should come of it? He is lucky that the Haqqani Network are the ones who found him. They have a history of negotiating for release. The AQ were not so nice to Daniel Pearl, and they are in this AO as well.

I am just curious what the full-story is and what will truly come of it.
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I don't think we can speculate as to his state of mind at the time of his actions, and I believe his father's parenting abilities to be irrelevant. Imagine if we applied your same sentiment to every other criminal with shitty parents and questionable mental awareness (if that is the case, however I tend to believe his fire team members who say he was both aware and deliberate). Let's just let everyone off the hook when they break the law, so long as there are some other people involved in their raising and supervision whom we can label as complicit due to...lack of knowing better? Hell I don't even have a father, talk about a lack of role model! Imagine the shit I should be able to get away with by your logic if I play stupid enough. Look I mean no disrespect to your point of view because you obviously have an ethical rationale that supports your perspective. But my ethic is completely different, and I will not "let him off the hook," and there IS no excuse for anything he did. Specifically deliberately abandoning his fellow Soldiers at a small OP, in an effort to fraternize with the enemy, leading to massive recovery operations which cost lives of REAL Soldiers.
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MAJ Jim Woods
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Lt. Mark..... the NDA's were only until he was returned. Then they expired. Thus the talking heads on TV contacting his old squad mates.
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MAJ Woods,

Thank you for the clarification. The first article I read did not state that the NDAs had a terminal timeframe, and implied that they were violating their NDAs out of a desire to tell the truth for their fallen comrades.
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I was being sarcastic and rhetorical, there is no such thing as meritorious promotion. There are only three types of promotion; automatic, select and battlefield. Bergdahl received automatic promotions as he still received pay and entitlement while on active duty and on an MIA status.
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