Posted on Nov 7, 2015
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I have been selected to attend Air Force Undergraduate Pilot Training. I understand that course is one year in length, but how long does the entire 'formal' flight training process generally take to complete? I also understand it will vary greatly depending on track-select and airframe assignment. For all of you rated aviators out there, from day one of OTS to checking in with your first operational active-duty squadron, how much time usually elapses? Again, I know it varies considerably, so I'd like to hear from fighters, cargo, tankers -- anyone willing to chime in. Most of the pilots (they fly A-10s) at my unit advised I'll be in a 'formal' training pipeline for about 24 months. Sound about right? I know we're never really done training, but I'm just asking out of curiosity.
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TSgt Gwen Walcott
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20 years or separation, whichever comes first
A pilot is ALWAYS training.
And remember the Cardinal Rule:
regardless of what is going on or what happens and a whatever time, ALWAYS, ALWAYS: Fly The Damned Airplane.
In case of any uncertainty, revert to the previous maxim!
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth
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AMEN...no matter what your specialty is...the day you stop training is the day you get hurt. There is always a better way of doing things or manipulating a weapon system to do more. The day we stop that is the day we fall behind our enemies.
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Col Robert Ginn
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To all potential pilots: Sgt Walcott and Col Shuttleworth are dead on. Fly the airplane, or whatever's left of it! Fly it till all the noise stops. Never think you have learned it all. Sounds simple to say, but there are "pilots" who get "bored", "stale", etc. Get them out of the cockpit (difficult to do, yet possible) before they kill them selves and others, combat or not. AND, lucky you going into flying. It's the greatest feeling in the world, to arise in the AM and head to the squadron to FLY ! Lastly, the AF personnel system is NOT there for your convenience nor for your abuse. Your contract is unilateral, the "exigencies" of the service come first. As I was told, once upon a youthful day of arrogance, "listen Lt., those wings, that bar mean ANYTHING, ANYWHERE, ANY TIME ! Got it?" (Craig AFB, 1954) I got it and loved it. And, btw, its "nose DOWN, spool up" Best to you and ALL you lucky Americans who fly.
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Col M P
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All the "Mom and Apple Pie" comments (fly the plane into the ground; you're always training) are all true. BUT, to answer the specific question that was asked, Yes about 24 months is a good estimate. As was said, after the year of UPT each air frame has it's own basic qualification time, plus more time for variants, plus more for tactics and weapons delivery (if applicable). Somewhere in there is land and water survival, plus (as in my case) a classified "special" survival course for certain air frames, which can't be discussed in this unclassified forum. Best of Luck to you.
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Gents, I really appreciate your input. Thank you. I'm just awaiting my flight physical results. Pending that does well (not inclined to believe it won't) my package will be forwarded to the OTS Program Manager. I'm hoping to have an OTS report date by Christmas. Thanks again!
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In today's UPT world? 2 years would be awesome. All of the bases are backed up right now. I have multiple buddies who have been AD at their UPT base for over 8 months and are just now getting into the pipeline.
I EAD to Vance in May but would be surprised if I actually start flying before December.
Good luck and keep your nose up!!!
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2d Lt Pilot Trainee
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Thanks for the intel, sir.
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Happy to help. Congrats on the OTS selection and UPT placement. Keep us posted with your progress and hope to see you in the skies.
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Will do and thank you, sir. Speaking of progress, how long ago did you graduate from OTS? What's a typical wait time between graduating OTS and starting UPT? And what do you do during that time? If you're headed to Vance in May, what has the Air Force had you doing the meantime?
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2d Lt Pilot Trainee Awaiting Ead
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I'm actually an ROTC Grad. The AF is supposed to have you active duty within a year of your commission, but between your commission and EAD (Enter Active Duty) date, you serve as an inactive reservist. Not sure of the process for OTS or the Reserves, but for ROTC you literally sit and wait. You don't have any commitments such as drill or weekends. You gather time in grade as an O-1, but it's 1/2'd since you're inactive. So if you wait a year to go active duty, you'll EAD with 6 months of time in grade as an O-1.
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The Air Force is likely different in many respects, but I had a number of "Zoomies" in my API and Primary classes at NAS Pensacola in 2000, so it would seem there are similarities. Once you are commissioned (congrats by the way!)...you have several stages of training, interspersed between ground schools, and in most cases, dictated by limitations (aka Budget) and once in a "class"...the weather. I received orders to API a couple of months before I "classed up", working for the base staff in-between (CFC isn't the most glamorous way to spend you first days as an O I can tell ya!). After that, there was API, then ground school and sims, then FAMs at the VT (training squadron) up to my graduation from Primary. I think that was all inside of a year. I didn't get beyond Primary, but my shipmates who did were still heading out to Ready Air Groups as I was completing my first deployment with the PHIBRGU nine months later. All in all, I'd plan for at LEAST two to three years including earning your gold bars.

Best Wishes, and Safe Landings!
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Congratulations on your selection! It's a milestone you won't ever forget in your career! The timeline is different for everyone, as almost everyone has stated above. I was selected for my commission February of 2013, it was August 6th, 2014 before I stepped onto the OTS campus. I arrived at Vance AFB on October 13th, 2014 and I didn't start pilot training until May 18th, 2015. At the moment, UPT alone is backed up pretty good. Unless you're Reserve or Guard, expect a long wait before you start training. T-6's right now are running around 6 months alone with phase 1 and 2 of training (academics and flight training). After that you get phase 3 which is either T-1's for heavies, or T-38's for fighters/bombers. As previously stated, even after that you have to account for specific MWS training, SERE, and anything else you have to do for upgrade training before you're qualified. Even for me, I track next week for phase 3, and I -still- don't know how long it will be before I'm in my assigned platform mission ready. It all depends. If you have any other specific questions regarding UPT, feel free to message me. I will help in whatever way I can.
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I really appreciate your insight. Are you Active Duty, Guard or Reserve? I am a reservist, but was selected by an active duty board. (Applied for some Reserve/Guard boards but I quickly determined flying in the Reserve or Guard is like trying to capture a damn unicorn in my opinion). I'm quite familiar with the hurry up and wait game. Right now I am just trying to figure out when I will report to OTS. My recruiter isn't sure because he's seen guys leave pretty quick and others have had to wait for quite awhile. I'm just trying to establish a tentative timeline so I have an idea of when I need to have everything squared away before stepping off.
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You'll soon find (if you haven't already) the standard aviation answer is "It depends." There are a lot of different factors that determine how long it'll be until you get to your ops squadron, including when you attend IFS, water survival, SERE, when you PCS to your follow-on training, and how long you sit casual between all of those events. When I got to Pensacola (I'm a navigator) I sat casual for about a month before IFS, then another 2-3 months before water survival - in that time, folks that had arrived on station after me had done both and classed up, so I actually graduated after some people that had been on station less time than me. Best of luck and hope to see you out in the wild blue yonder soon!
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Col M P
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All the "Mom and Apple Pie" comments (fly the plane into the ground; you're always training) are all good and true. BUT, to answer the specific question that was asked, Yes about 24 months is a good estimate. As was said, after the year of UPT each air frame has it's own basic qualification time, plus more time for variants, plus more for tactics and weapons delivery (if applicable). Somewhere in there is land and water survival, plus (as in my case) a classified "special" survival course for certain air frames, which can't be discussed in this unclassified forum. Best of Luck to you.
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Lt Col Augie Fuentes
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I would say 18-24 months is about right depending on your class start dates. There is not much you can do other than work within the timing slots that are provided. Don't forget you also have to attend survival school and other training events. BTW, Congratulations!
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Col Jeffrey Swegel
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Congrats on your selection. The answer depends on what you refer to as "formal training". In the bomber world (and I promise I'm not offended you didn't include bombers in your list above:) ) the process from start of UPT to report at first base was 1 yr, 8 months, so add your OTS time to that. However, I attended other training between UPT and bomber FTU (CCTS at the time), AND when you report you are NOT "mission ready" until both conventional and nuclear training is complete. That took an additional 4 months. So.....it depends.
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Lt Col Richard Colarco
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Congratulations on your upcoming commission!

To answer your specific question, two years sounds about right these days from entry into OTS until your report to your operational unit.

When I entered OTS (in 1972), it was a sprint until I reported to my unit.

Now, you are likely to see a bunch of dead time while you are waiting for your UPT class to begin. Even in UPT, there will likely be some down time. I sure didn't have any (UNT and EWOT).

Don't forget to factor in survival schools, upgrade into your operational aircraft (unless you do in-unit upgrade, which seems to be the way of the world today). All these things take time. You might even do some basic officer PME on the way.
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Capt Matthew Smith
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This was a few years ago, but I started OTS on 29 May, commissioned 16 August, arrived at my UPT base 26 August, started training 24 February, got my wings on 4 April (13.5 months; I PCS'd from Moody to Laughlin halfway thru, though, which they don't do anymore), did survival training during April and May, went to Altus for MWS training (KC-135) sometime mid-May, left Altus and arrived at my first duty station on 21 August. So all told that was about 27 months. Obviously if you've been through SERE already you can knock a few weeks off that, and you won't PCS in the middle of flight training, so that saves 3 weeks. The real wild card is how long you're sitting casual at your UPT base...and it can be very hard to use that time productively. That's your real challenge.
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