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Posted on Feb 14, 2019
MAJ Michael Moffeit
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Wondering from FA Officers how much a Ranger tab helps (or how much the lack of one hurts you) when getting looked at or taking Battery command. Specifically for traditionally light Divisions such as 101st and 82nd. I've heard that you will be looked down upon (however slightly) for not having a Ranger tab and it will set you behind those you're competing against for command OERs.
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It really doesn’t make a difference in the overall FA world. If you want to be a FSO in a ranger battalion then go do it.
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If you get a slot to go great, do it. If not though, don't be discouraged, from what I have seen you will be judged mainly how by well you perform in your precommand jobs( BN FSO, S4, BN AS3, FDO,etc). Focus on doing well and being a team player. Also don't complain if you get put in a position that you don't really want to be in initially( i.e BN S4). Stay humble.
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COL Dana Hampton
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As a former member of the 101st, it means a lot to your Infantry cohorts that their Fire Supporters have a tab. Not so much at the cannon battery level. If you are in shape and so inclined, go to Ranger School. It won’t hurt.
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How much does the Ranger Tab help you when getting looked at for command (FA Officers)?
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My time in the 101st...none of my fellow FSOs in the IN BN had a Tab, but the infantry PLs did. When I moved to the FA BN, the BN CDR was tabbed, my BC was as was the other BC. If the choice is equal between you and “Steve” and “Steve”has a tab, you will not get picked for Command over Steve. Looking back, make every effort to go to Ranger School. Being cold, wet, sleepy and hungry for extended periods of time really means something in the army, if only that it shows you have a sack and you don’t quit. It doesn’t make you a better leader as I have known plenty of shit bags with Tabs, but it is what it is and the light world loves a Tab. Go get it, you won’t regret it.
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I failed to include that I did not have a tab and it was one of my bigger regrets that I didn’t get the chance to go.
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MSG Danny Mathers
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The Ranger Tab represents you have passed the greatest leadership challenge in the US Army.
The Ranger Course teaches the candidate the ability to leader a team that is tired, hungry and worn out to completed the Ranger Mission. You already have to have the basic skills mastered before you attend. You are taught to do patrols and OPORD the way they want you to do them. That Tabs has always been looked upon as symbol of accomplishment. Don't let anyone that has not been tabbed tell you don't need it for your MOS as long as you are combat arms. Make sure you are in top condition before attending. I saw many O-3 & E-6 get hurt in the Benning Phase. Don't quit no matter what. I had an 1LT in my squad that went through the course two time already due to injuries before he got tabbed. He was from the 82nd and told me his career was through if he did not pass. The same went for me. I would have been done in SOF. I went as a 34 yr old MSG class 10-84. It kicked my ass!
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MAJ Mark N.
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From my experience, the Ranger tab can be influential for Battery Command selection in light divisions. I was able to compete and receive a Ranger slot after graduation from the FA Officers Advanced Course due to assignment to the 7th Infantry Division (Light) back in the day. Buddy of mine turned down Ranger slot. We both arrived at Fort Ord about the same time, and two command billets were opening. Because of my tab, I got a firing battery (loved it!). My slick shoulder peer got Headquarters battery (hated it, and ended up leaving the Army).
However, I found the tabe even more important after command when I was a Brigade FSO. My supporting Infantry and Cav Commanders and soldiers knew that I could understand the light tactics that make up Ranger training.
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Always think of it this way. What have you done to separate yourself from your peers? Go get your tab and that will never be a question for you. From experience, the tab doesn’t really mean much in the FA world. That being said, I never had a fso who didn’t have one. It depends on the unit and your commander if you not having one will be frowned upon. Bottom line is, if your a officer leading men, you should have a tab. No if ands or buts about it.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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Isn't a Ranger Tab a required to go to the Regiment?
Even in the Infantry, the opportunity to go to Ranger School is limited for Officers that don't get it right out of BOLC, or IOBC in my day. If you don't get it then, you get to compete with all the all people trying to get a slot and that number depends on the unit. 82nd, 25th, 10th Mountain, get enough slots that your chances aren't horrible. End up at the Big Red One, that goes way down. Not Infantry or Cav, it goes down further. Sure, if you have the chance, apply and hope for the best, but the reality of it is that most officers in the Army will not get the chance to go to Ranger School simply because there will never be enough slots.
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Not true at all. I would say somewhere around 70% of each Ranger class is officers. The opportunity is definitely there, especially coming out of ibolc. Even if you don’t get that opportunity out of bolc, majority of the installations have a pre ranger. You go and pass and that’s your ticket to RS. There is always enough slots.
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From what I understand, as a infantry nco or officer the tab is required to be accepted into the regiment. For support mos’s a tab is not required to get in.
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