Posted on Nov 23, 2016
How much influence, if any, should religious organizations have in politics?
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As private citizens they could say whatever they want, as organizations they should have 0% say on anything. I fully believe that government and any religion should be 100% separate.
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SSG Shavonde Chase
So you are saying that the leader can have a say by saying, "I First Name support this cause" and its ok if the congregation follows by doing the same thing. However, the Church of God and Christ should not be mentioned.
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The Constitution is clear on this matter, I think a more interesting question would be is should the government stay out of religious affairs?
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PO3 Ricky Foster
I think it is simple, not a simple yes or no but simple. Government should stay out of all religious affairs unless the religious practice contradicts the Law. In that case The Law wins, no religious belief should be allowed as a defense in the court room.
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Say? None. Input, just as much as anyone else. Prayer, I leave that to the individual and fully believe the Government has NO RIGHT banning or enforcing it anywhere. We are a nation that is based on a belief that there is a higher power. The modern Christian (zealot) believes it is his style of Christianity. Yet, if you study what the founding fathers debated and believed, the entire Bill of Rights and Constitution was prayed over, followed God's Laws, and is directly attributed to God.
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Among our founding fathers were enough differing ideas on religion that they, IMHO, boiled it down to a common core of belief. It is CLEARLY stated in the Declaration of Independance. It has both Christian and Deist wording. In fact, I am positive you could put on the glasses of any religion that adheres to "the golden rule" and see yourself in those opening words.
Sharia Law is not God's Law, it is Muhammed's Law, a prophet (as I understand it). Therefore it is a rule of man rather than a rule of law, and as such, does not belong here.
The whole idea of separation of church and state was to NEVER allow the church to rule the people, not even in the name of a King or body politic. It was NEVER intended to strip the individual's belief and practice while in office. What a gaggle we have let happen.
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Among our founding fathers were enough differing ideas on religion that they, IMHO, boiled it down to a common core of belief. It is CLEARLY stated in the Declaration of Independance. It has both Christian and Deist wording. In fact, I am positive you could put on the glasses of any religion that adheres to "the golden rule" and see yourself in those opening words.
Sharia Law is not God's Law, it is Muhammed's Law, a prophet (as I understand it). Therefore it is a rule of man rather than a rule of law, and as such, does not belong here.
The whole idea of separation of church and state was to NEVER allow the church to rule the people, not even in the name of a King or body politic. It was NEVER intended to strip the individual's belief and practice while in office. What a gaggle we have let happen.
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SSG Shavonde Chase
I learned a lot from your post and now have much to ponder on. What position do you hold about taxation?
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SSgt (Join to see)
Taxation is a curmudgeon! No "easy answer" lies this way, especially as big as we've allowed our government to grow. If we go back to what was intended, income tax would not exist. FICA would not exist. Workman's Comp would not exist. However, we've spent about 100 years teaching our kids to go to school, get a good education, get a job and you will be successful. To support that, we've increased taxes to the point where most of spend nearly 50% of what we earn in one form of taxes or another.
I think we've over complicated the issue of taxes to a point where too many believe we would all die if we did not do "our fair share". To get it back under control we will have to shrink our government (personnel and programs) as well as introduce a flat tax. Close the loopholes for corporations, strengthen the tax laws around those who are self-employed (the model for our original type of economy!) and EDUCATE our kids on both our form of government as well as our form of economics. Won't happen in a single term. In fact, it will probably take 30-50 years.
I think we've over complicated the issue of taxes to a point where too many believe we would all die if we did not do "our fair share". To get it back under control we will have to shrink our government (personnel and programs) as well as introduce a flat tax. Close the loopholes for corporations, strengthen the tax laws around those who are self-employed (the model for our original type of economy!) and EDUCATE our kids on both our form of government as well as our form of economics. Won't happen in a single term. In fact, it will probably take 30-50 years.
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The First Amendment of the Constitution states that the Government shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, i.e. no official religion of the government. It also states that there should be no prohibition on the exercise of religion. That is ALL that is said on "Separation of Church and State". That being said, organized religion, as a single entity, does not have an official say in the government. However, a person's expression of their personal thoughts and feelings cannot be suppressed when they are influenced by one's religious beliefs. That too, would be a violation of the First Amendment in regard to freedom of speech. Basically, individuals talking with government officials and expressing their view is okay, as is a representative of a group talking with their government representatives. The constituency of a government representative should be able to express to them their thoughts and views.
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SSG Shavonde Chase
Thanks for your input. Is it fair to say, that individuals who come together to express their views should not be treated differently regardless of the type of group, i.e. religious, political, or business?
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SGT Tim Soyars
That is my understanding of the First Amendment. For some reason, some people or groups feel that it is the total suppression of religion influenced views. The, "We can say anything, but you can't because you are religious. Our views are more equal than yours." Sounds like Animal Farm.
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1 If they are a religious organization, then they should "keep the main thing the main thing".
2 That should be the priority but they still have a right and duty as citizens to hold those in elected office accountable to fulfill their duty. Whenever they start getting too far into rule #2, then they need to refer back to rule #1....
2 That should be the priority but they still have a right and duty as citizens to hold those in elected office accountable to fulfill their duty. Whenever they start getting too far into rule #2, then they need to refer back to rule #1....
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SSG Shavonde Chase
Your reply made me chuckle a little bit. Please explain what you mean by "the main thing" as some may view this differently.
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SSgt Boyd Welch
As a person of faith, I believe you have to remain "anchored" in your faith. I've watched as countless others have lost their way and sunk into the morass that the political world has given us recently. If you are a Christian, then don't park Christ at the door so you can vent your spleen, and then pick Him up again when you are through. Keep the Main thing, the Main thing....
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An opinion inspired by one's religious foundations, whatever that may be, is one thing; theocracy however is a whole different matter.
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Absolutely zero. If they want to donate money to political causes, that is their right. If they want to protest political causes, that is their right. But they have no say in politics more than the vote that they cast for the individual they chose to represent them.
Using Catholics as an example... we've got the Pope. He is not an American citizen. He doesn't get a say in how we do things. Now as a political leader, it would benefit me to be on good terms with the Pope in order to also be on good terms with the vast amount of Catholics in our country. But that is the full extent of it. I am not obligated to do what the Pope demands any more than I am obligated to do what lobbyists demand. I might piss some people off, but it'd be my job to run the country, not theirs.
Using Catholics as an example... we've got the Pope. He is not an American citizen. He doesn't get a say in how we do things. Now as a political leader, it would benefit me to be on good terms with the Pope in order to also be on good terms with the vast amount of Catholics in our country. But that is the full extent of it. I am not obligated to do what the Pope demands any more than I am obligated to do what lobbyists demand. I might piss some people off, but it'd be my job to run the country, not theirs.
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SSG Shavonde Chase
Some argue that donations should not be allowed. How do you separate this act from church and state?
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It depends on what type of involvement your are referring to. If its just voicing their opinion, donations or lobbying then they have just as much right as corporations or unions to have a say.
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SSG Shavonde Chase -
It just stands to reason if corporations and unions can have so much involvement why not the church. They all represent different ideas for American. The church and corporations are the first ones attacked for their involvement in government but nobody complains about the power of unions. The AFLCIO bigwigs are no better then CEO's of corporations they are out to line their pockets.
It just stands to reason if corporations and unions can have so much involvement why not the church. They all represent different ideas for American. The church and corporations are the first ones attacked for their involvement in government but nobody complains about the power of unions. The AFLCIO bigwigs are no better then CEO's of corporations they are out to line their pockets.
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SSG Shavonde Chase
Wow. Great analogy and one I will be sharing with my battle.. I can't argue that point at all.
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