Posted on Dec 31, 2015
How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
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How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
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There's nothing wrong with correcting a young recruit, but usually officers don't do such. And USUALLY, it doesn't happen in the presence of the parent of that recruit. It would have been a subtle situation if the young officer would have used more of a tactful approach, a subtle notion to remove the cover without the mother even knowing. That's not something that is practiced in the army for the Marines are well able to control that recruit, but that parent. . . . . . . . My mother would have put hands on everyone. It's her duty to protect her child in any situation. BAD reflection on both the Junior officer and the CSM.
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TSgt Michael P Reed
your mother has NO BUSINESS getting involved in a military matter. To do so could get her brought up of federal charges. and get you in trouble also. If you were one of my troops and your mother stuck her nose into a disciplinary matter between you and I and you did not tell her to back of , it would go a lot harder on you. I did not put up with mamas boys or girls when I was in the service. I wanted men and women that would do their jobs and not go crying to mama and daddy when they got in trouble.You are supposed to be men and take whats coming to you when you are in trouble. You joined the military not your mama.
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First off the youngster was in the wrong for cursing at the officer when he was asked to remove his cover. That is taught to all recruits from day one no matter what branch of service you are in. Second, the officer was in the wrong to let it escalate into a pissing contest with the youngster. Any senior NCO or officer should maintain their cool in this sort of situation and just take down the name of the offending party to bring forward to that parties commander. The CSM should not have had to get involved. Both the officer and the enlisted troop were at fault here and both of them, at the very least should receive reprimands for conduct unbecoming. As for the mother getting her nose into the matter, she is not a part of the Marines and should have been told to butt out as this was a disciplinary matter to be handles by the CSM.
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Wow! Making a scene like that is so unnecessary and demonstrates underlying societal problems.
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The inherent disrespect off the current group of enlisted folks is on display every single day. Every error I made as a junior enlisted man was quickly and aggressively pointed out. Pointed out by the chiefs that are ever present at any base. So why exactly did this marine make it to the check out line before someone fixed him? All the other statements about discipline in private and what not are true. However I would have simply made eye contact and pointed at the cover. In my experience with marines, the 'who the f**k are you' part is beyond belief.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
LT (Join to see) Good feedback and good question - how did he make it to the checkout line with it on or did he put in on because he was close to leaving too early? Doesn't make a difference I learned as a private to remove the garrison cap when entering a building - period! For 36 years and about 320 days from the first 45 days of basic training it was just a normal reaction and habit - off with the cover!
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SGT (Join to see)
That was always my understanding, (no cover when indoors), from even before I joined the Army! Then I joined the Army and to this day the habit is ingrained, going inside, REMOVE THE HEADGEAR and it stays off until I'm IN THE DOORWAY!
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That kid was wrong three ways to to Sunday. Thank God the Marines still have some old school soldiering (sorry, I don't know what you call it in the Marines, but please send some to the Army) left in the ranks. IF THE STORY IS TRUE, I hope that kid gets a hot poker rammed up his ass for the crap he pulled. Think about it for a minute and let the gravity of the offense settle in. That Marine, over an extremely minor correction, lost all military bearing and discipline. That is a troop that needs a serious re education. In the Army, back in the day, they had a place called the CCF, the Commanders Confinement Facility (I think) or AKA Charlies Chicken Farm. If I remember correctly, it was a non-judicial disciplinary confinement option for Commanders to send their leadership challenges to for 30 days to help them remember they were in the military and there were rules and regulations they were obligated to follow. This sounds like just the place this young troop needs to spend some quality time in.
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Bottom line if the young Marine would of been right he would not of been in the wrong which he was period.
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From what I remember from my time in according to this headline...it is every Marine's responsibility to make sure another Marine regardless of rank is squared away-every Marine represents the Corps. Now I am only going by the headline here and not sure exactly what the details are as others here do.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
SGT David Emme Roger that to your first sentence - it shoul dbe that way across the service branches - service members keeping service members squared away - there will be days when young service members will slip - that is what there are peers, NCOs and Officers - to keep them squared away when that unfortunate time happens!
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