Posted on Mar 15, 2024
Jasmine Joy
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Hi, I’m a woman in her 20s and I’m training to become a U.S. Navy SEAL.

What advice would you give for women that want to be SEALs? If you had to go to BUD/S again, how would you prepare differently? What books or workout programs would you recommend?

Most female SEAL candidates struggle with carrying the boats and logs, doing pull ups, having grip strength and completing the “Dirty Name” on the obstacle course. Also, a lot of female SEAL candidates break their legs or develop stress fractures.

A woman made it to day 4 of BUD/S first phase recently but she quit on day 4. That’s the farthest a woman has made it. Her BUD/S classmates told me that her class hated her and ran her out from under the boat because she was a boat ducker. Nine women have entered the SEAL pipeline since 2016.
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CSM Chuck Stafford
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Can't speak to Navy training specifically, but your body will do what it can do -- Mentally, take it one cycle at a time and don't quit. It's all you can ask of yourself
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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EXACTLY Chuck
Ya Nailed The Answer, Right On Target:" "It's all you can ask of yourself".
The Perfect Answer To a Great Question..... And That's As Good As It CAN Get..
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MSG Intermediate Care Technician
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The only thing I can say about preparing physically is to research all SEAL workouts out there. Find what works for you and do that.

Bone density for women is (usually) not as thick as it is for men...hence the easier ability to break/stress fracture. Not saying this won't happen to men in BUD/S.

BUD/S, by its design, is supposed to weed out those that can't physically cut it. The course has an attrition/failure rate of 70-85%.

My advice: Do all that you can to prep and when you get to the course, you need to do all that you can to stay. However, I caution you that you will want to listen to your body. An ache is an ache, but pain is pain and a telltale sign something is wrong. That's the physical side of the house. As for the mental side, be that team player. Show drive and determination without sacrificing your integrity.
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MSgt Electrical Power Production
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Don’t be swayed by all the glamour as seen on TV. Seals are not the only special ops kids on the block. Check out the other branches, they have their own Pipe Hitters (Spec Ops for those confused by the term). And you might find a specialty that interests you more. Good luck!
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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CPT (Join to see) - ...
USAF Wouldn't Let You Enlist?
Ya Gotta Do What I Did: ~ "LIE Your AZZ OFF".~
In 1961, When I Enlisted on my 17th Birthday, ONE Of The Requirements Was A 10th GRADE Education~~ I Was a MID-9th GRADE DROP OUT ~ With And 8TH Grade Education. ~~
BUT When I Hit Little Rock AFB, In Jacksonville, AR... I Made A Quick Dash To The Education Office And Scheduled My H.S.GED...... THEN I Discovered All The FREE PROGRAMS Which Were Offer And I Took Every Damned Business Course I Could Complete in A 4 Year Period ~~ Last One Was Completed In 1965 While Stationed At Osan ~ In South Korea.. ...3 months Before Bering DD-214th Out... See My Bio For How MUCH The USAF Contributed To Life ....It Was HUGE! ~~ I Owe Them Every Bit Of My Success... Without The USAF, I MAY Even Have Gotten A Job Cleaning Toilets At McDonald's ~~ IF I Were Lucky Enough.~~
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MSgt Electrical Power Production
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney -

The later years from about the 80’s on the Air Force was much more difficult to enlist in. You had to have a high school diploma or GED and good ASVAB scores to even get in the door. I tried going active duty from the Air Guard in 1986 and they weren’t even interested because I had been a Marine NCO. The recruiters told me I had a completely different indoctrination that wouldn’t fit in the Air Force. But I suppose after 9/11 many things may have changed. By then I had a good job and the reserve fit my life better, I retired in 2004.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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MSgt (Join to see) -
"YES".. You're Absolutely Correct; But In 1961, No Computers Were Available To Confirm Information, And Written Confirmation Could Take Much Longer ~~ SO One Could Easily "Get Away" With A Lot More ~~ And I Used That To My Advantage. ~~ In 1967 When I Interviewed At F.M.C. For The Position Of "Purchasing Agent", A College Degree Was A Requirement....SO I Figured "What The 'L', I'll Bet I Have One Of Those Laying Around Here Somewhere"... And "Golly Gee, There It Was, A Bachelors In Business Administration, With a 3.6 GPA"....See My Bio For Results...
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PO2 Mark Fraktman
PO2 Mark Fraktman
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YES, during the early to mid 80's while stationed on Okinawa I knew and dove with a female PJ. She was with the 333rd (I think) ARRS.
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How should a woman prepare for US Navy SEAL training?
SSgt Christophe Murphy
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Train, Train, Train

Lots of folks don't make it through BUDs due to injury. When I was medically retired and going through transition classes I had a ton of BUDs drops who were all getting out for various injuries they received while going through school. Necks, backs, knees and various other injuries. So get your head wrapped around that training is extremely tough and inherently dangerous for anyone regardless of gender. There are millions of Seal training preparation workouts out there so there isn't much new to say in regards to training prep other than the mental toll from training is just as bad as the physical. Good Luck. Like you said, less than a dozen women have attempted what you are going after.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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GUTS ~ COURAGE ~ DETERMINATION ~ SELF RESPECT,
And The Balls Of A Brass Monkey... And She Has All It Takes ~~
GO For IT !! ~~ Or You'll Never Know Whether Or Not, You Would Have Made It..
BEST Of LUCK ~~ It''ll be Another ADVENTURE In Your Life.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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You already posted all the reasons I would advise you NOT to try it. Muscle mass, strength, bone density, and skeletal differences make your chances of being seriously and possibly permanently hurt substantially higher than the male candidates and it's high enough for them.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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And HERE I Go AGAIN:
"Please Don't Tell Me "NOT To Do It"
Tell Me "HOW To Do It"...
Speaking From Having OVER 35 YEARS Of Management And Business Ownership"
"GET The Job DONE" Is the Only Objective...."HOW" is the Answer.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
CPT Lawrence Cable
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney - It's called risk management and if you didn't do risk assessment, you weren't very good at managing.

Using your example, I'll tell you exactly what it takes to be in the NFL. You need to be 6'6", 320 LBS, run the 40 in 4.4 and bench press 275 Lbs. If you don't have most of the attributes in some form or fashion, you aren't going to make it.

This is the reality of SEAL qualifications. https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2023/05/25/navy-seal-training-plagued-by-pervasive-problems-investigation-shows/
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As someone who is not elite, take what I have to say with a grain of salt.

I believe that in those types of environments goal-setting is huge. Planning to make it to each meal, for example, is a useful mental and psychological technique. Made it to breakfast? Outstanding! Take your 15 minute break and enjoy stuffing your face. Pat yourself on the back and get back to it. Next checkpoint is lunch. Keep this up until you can handle more, and then your goals go from sun-up to sundown, full days, weeks, and phases. This method even helped me out during the low points of my deployment back in '08.

Second, bulk up. You have to get that muscle density if you stand a chance. Do whatever it takes to increase the capacity and endurance of your frame. This may mean incorporating grey-skull LP on top of another SEAL-oriented workout regiment. For that, I might recommend Mountain Tactical.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
MAJ Byron Oyler
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Bulking to fast can lead to bone and joint issues. Dont cut yourself short, you can easily be elite in what you do, you just happen to not do it as a trigger puller.
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CN Scott Couch
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You plain a simply shouldn't even be accepted. There are so many levels against it. Not saying women shouldn't be in the military but men and women are extremely different. Not just in physical structure but also what they can deal with mentally. When I was deployed women attached to my command were so emotional and at some point in BUDs they will bend the regulations for you and that's not fair to the men that earned their place among the elite. I was stationed on Coronado and have seen what those guys endure. Go fly Cobras or A-10s. Just stay out of the way so you don't become a liability.
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
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I have a perspective on this that may draw hate today, but it has been common sense for the rest of history. Don't try to be a man. Don't try to beat the best men at their own game. Be a woman. Be the best woman you can be. That's not becoming a SEAL.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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Jasmine Joy - Nice study, but show me a real world case where women place first in ultra marathons. I've heard and seen these studies before, but a mediocre male athlete like Lia Thomas has tied or beat some of the best women swimmers in the US.

But combat arms is far beyond just endurance. If you look at the Israeli experience with females in combat arms, the injury rate was so much higher that they put the program of Women in combat arms units on hold for the second time in their history. Bone density, skeletal design and muscle mass still make a big difference in injury rates. Even in the rather easy training in Basic Combat Training in the US Army, female recruits injury rate is far higher than their male counterparts.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
CPT Lawrence Cable
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Let me give you real world experience. I served 7 years enlisted or as an Officer in Air Assaults and Light Infantry Units. If you polled the people on this site, you will find most of the Infantry guys that served any length of time resulted in bad knees, hips and backs. Don't forget the hearing loss. Light Infantry is pretty tough, but Army Special Forces, Army Rangers, Delta, SEALS and even PJ are on a completely different level of suck. Now you asked for advice and I gave it. It's still your decision, but I would go in knowing the odds. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9310503/
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
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CPT Lawrence Cable - yep, five years as an Airborne Infantryman in SOF and conventional units left me beat up head to toe, inside and out. And I didn't even deploy while I was in.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
CPT Lawrence Cable
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA - Join the club , brother. I can't say that I know anyone who served in Infantry companies that did get injured in some way.
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
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It appears as if you already know a great deal more than the average member of this site. I am sure you have researched each of the women entering the pipeline and read up on or maybe even contacted them individually, if not you should.

As your notes indicate there have been physical inhibitors, not the psychological ones (so far as they had gone into training.

Any and all Special Ops programs require that the individual be of elected fitness and mental strength. The doggies and stressors are individual, you should find the most physically demanding training program established by ex SF and mirror it as closely as you can. There are a few programs, maybe near you.

In any case I hope you are the first.
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1SG James Kelly
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Why?
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Jasmine Joy
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Because the SEALs are my true calling and my passion, I want to do the job and be a warfighter. I couldn’t imagine doing anything else.
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