Posted on Jul 7, 2018
SSG Armorer
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I'm having an issue a soldier's wife of mine has been having an inappropriate relationship with someone from the navy. He can't prove adultry but can prove that they have been messaging and sending snaps back and forth. The sailor is a diver (PO2). Is there a way to inform this dirtbags chain of command on what has been going on?
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Respectfully, he could handle his business and contact a divorce attorney. For all he knows, she’s been telling this poor sailor that she’s single.
Why assume the guy is a dirtbag, when the only known dirtbag variable in the equation is the wife?
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SSG Armorer
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I already have him getting with a divorce lawyer on Monday. And the guy know she's married they've known each other for a long time
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SSG (Join to see) - unfortunately, with no proof, even calling his commander directly might not result in much. Adultery is one of those hard to prove, harder to prosecute crimes under UCMJ. (Especially without a confession).

If it was my soldier, I’d just recommend he cut bait and rid himself of the two of them.
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LTJG Jftoc Watch Officer
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Adultery would fall under UCMJ Article 134. However, since you are a 3rd party, your place is to give your soldier advice and direct him to your legal officer. You have no business getting involved in your soldier's (or the Sailor's) personal affairs.
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SFC Rick Walton
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Bad advice, good intent. Every good NCO should know their Soldiers and address, to the fullest extent possible, anything that effects said Soldiers performance.
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SFC Rick Walton - I respect your point, but I am curious as to how this affects the Soldier's performance, in your opinion.
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SFC Rick Walton
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[~203078:SSG William Rodriguez Anything that distracts a Soldier is a performance hindrance. It effects the ability to focus and concentrate on the task at hand. Obviously some tasks require far more focus but a distracted Soldier is never a good thing. And if you know about it, it's bothering your Soldier.
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SSG Lyle O'Rorke
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SPC Chris Ison regardless of the units they belong to one could argue that the soldiers discipline is being effected by the sailors actions
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Capt Daniel Goodman
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Try the chaplain route, honest, it's what many clergy are trained to do, quite frequently in a social work context, not to be naive or intend it as a panacea, of course....
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How should I proceed if I know about an inappropriate relationship between a single sailor and a married woman?
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No proof, no crime. Isn’t it something he should take up with her? IMHO.
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MCPO Roger Collins
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Good way to create a serious situation for yourself, it’s a no win situation. Everybody will blame, when this comes to light at your behest.
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Unfortunately in today’s technological world any good lawyer will subpoena phone records and construct timelines. This costs A LOT of money. What is the end point, divorce, UCMJ, he is hurt. Needs to make decisions but consulting a lawyer would be first on to do list, again IMHO...
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Divorce is never a pleasant thing to go through regardless of the side you are on at least I would not think so. Married 26 years myself by good fortune. I hate to hear about friends or family going through that, especially with children involved and plenty of animosity to go around.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
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SSG (Join to see) - Screenshots aren't proof. Anyone can drum up screenshots of anything they want.
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Capt Daniel Goodman
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Most experienced clergy I think would have been pretty inured to such scenarios, I should think, very little would shock them, plus, being clergy, they can often get access or handle things delicately, that would he the opposite figuratively of using a sledge hammer to crush a walnut, something like that obv would need real finesse, honest, I think that'd be among the nest possible ways, for real, of be most eager for any thoughts, of course, hope all that was of at least some use, if nothing else....
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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SSG (Join to see) Your wife, your problem! Otherwise, Nosey Rosie. None of your beeswax!
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The lowest scum in the Military IMHO... Had this happen to many Soldiers during deployments. If that "Seaman" was reporting to me I'd have his @$$!!
ZERO tolerance should be the flavor of the day.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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Jody this and Jody that ——- !
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PO2 Rick Fox
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It takes two and the wife of the soldier is just as guilty if not more, especially if she instigated or encouraged the relationship, saw it happen several times with the "Westpac Widows" that came out when their husbands were deployed.
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SGM Bill Frazer
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1. It is not against regs to talk or send pics, unless they are lewd or suggestive in nature. 2. I don't see how you can do anything. 3. The SM involved may be able to contact the Sailor's unit/ship, but without any solid proof of anything inappropriate, he will be laughed off. Talking, ordinary pics are NOT Inappropriate. This should be resolved as a personal matter for the couple- to include counseling.
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Ask the chain of command to issue a no contact order to the soldier or sailor... adultery is tough to prove, violating a no contact order isnt. It wont solve the problem entirely but its a bandaid till the SM can get a divorce or some counseling, either way it removes the offending party from the equation while they figure out thier marriage.
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SGM(P) G37 Trex Sgm
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Anything predj to good order and discpline is the CoC responsibilty.. even the appearance of misconduct is enough to warrant a no contact order. It is 100 percent our responsibility to take care of our soldiers. There is no such thing as
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SGM(P) G37 Trex Sgm
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Personal buisness.. thats what leaders do. We make home visits, we talk to families and spouses.. We do whats in the best interest of our soldiers.. all the time not just when they have a uniform on, they are soldiers, sailors, marines, and airmen 24 hours a day. You are a leader 24 hours a day on and off duty. Take care of your soldiers.
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I have had this problem numerous times and it should always be Command Team to Command Team discussion about the specifics of the problem and the perceived nature of the relationship (when 2 SM or their families are involved). Every situation is different, but it is up to the chain of command on how they want to approach the solution, ideally with all involved parties having the opportunity to speak their mind. At the end of the day as long as it is all laid out on the table and leaders are involved a good informed decision can be reached.

Here is a good overview I found since this is a fairly complicated matter.

Can your commander issue a no contact order for the PERCEPTION that you may be violating ARTICLE 134 for adultery, and check article 90 2,A, III, relationship to military duty, what is the meaning?

Article 90, UCMJ, is a wilful violation of a order.
If there is a suspicion of fraternization or adultery that may be affecting the command, good order and discipline, or be service discrediting then the command can take reasonable steps to prevent that. They can also investigate and take punitive action if there is evidence.

Here are the guidelines on the actual offense.
While adulterous conduct that is private and discreet in nature may not be service discrediting by this standard, under the circumstances, it may be determined to be conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline. Commanders should consider all relevant circumstances, including but not limited to the following factors, when determining whether adulterous acts are prejudicial to good order and discipline or are of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces:

(a) The accused=s marital status, military rank, grade, or position;

(b) The co-actor=s marital status, military rank, grade, and position, or relationship to the armed forces;

(c) The military status of the accused=s spouse or the spouse of co-actor, or their relationship to the armed forces;

(d) The impact, if any, of the adulterous relationship on the ability of the accused, the co-actor, or the spouse of either to perform their duties in support of the armed forces;

(e) The misuse, if any, of government time and resources to facilitate the commission of the conduct;

(f) Whether the conduct persisted despite counseling or orders to desist; the flagrancy of the conduct, such as whether any notoriety ensued; and whether the adulterous act was accompanied by other violations of the UCMJ;

(g) The negative impact of the conduct on the units or organizations of the accused, the co-actor or the spouse of either of them, such as a detrimental effect on unit or organization morale, teamwork, and efficiency;

(h) Whether the accused or co-actor was legally separated; and

(i) Whether the adulterous misconduct involves an ongoing or recent relationship or is remote in time.

Now, if you feel that the commander is wrong, then you can raise a complaint under Article 138, UCMJ, against the commander. Or you can take it to the IG.

"Generally orders are considered valid and lawful and are violated at the persons peril." That's a basic phrase found in all orders violations cases. An unlawful order would be one that unreasonably interferes with your personal life and that has no reasonable connection to military duty or service.
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MSgt Jonathan Stump
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SGM(P) (Join to see) - Bingo, correct answer. Had the same thing happen many a times and this is the correct answer. The no-contact order is the correct avenue at that time to get to the point. Then instruct the member under your control to get counseling on the best course of action forward. If that is divorce, that is the answer. Family counseling might be another choice depending on if this is an issue of a bored spouse or something else.
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SFC David Xanten
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I once had the same problem, a Gunny was having an affair with a friends wife, I notified his SGM and within a week he was gone. Neither knew what happened and life went on
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