Posted on Mar 17, 2015
How to differentiate personnel's rank during PT? Choice #2 worked amazingly in Hawaii.
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Personally, I think that the different color belts are a much better idea that way you can avoid an unneeded sharp complaint. (some people are petty like that)
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Just to contrast how little of an issue this is for the AF. They are just called reflective belts (sometimes disco) and most often wore in ABU's on the flight line or some bases in hours of darkness. Our PT gear has reflective material built in so no need of a reflective belt there.
Treat everyone like a grown up and possibly outranks you, be polite and professional and there is no problems. No need for a color chart or squinting at a tiny rank insignia. /rant
Treat everyone like a grown up and possibly outranks you, be polite and professional and there is no problems. No need for a color chart or squinting at a tiny rank insignia. /rant
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
Side note, my issued reflective belt is blue. Wonder how much hurt feelings that causes...
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Here is what happens, and we have all seen it I am guessing. A lower enlisted will get corrected doing PT, or told they can not do something that they want to do during PT. That lower enlisted will give the person who corrected them a hard time and talk to them like they were on the block with their buddies. There does need to be some military standards for customs and courtesies, but that is basically the only reason during PT hours. The problem is that we still have leaders who want to use their rank just to be difficult, but these so called leaders usually are not doing PT anyway, so eventually they will wash out of the military. As a leader of Soldiers I know that they can get pretty bull headed at times, but at the same time when I usually see it during PT is when they are engaged in a situation with someone who outranks them that is being difficult just because they have the rank to do just that.
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I served in the Marines from 88 to 92. When PT was done, whether squad or company level and even battalion level, you knew who the officers were. If you didn't know them the you were Unsat. Obviously if you were PT'ing alone and saw an officer you would just greet them Good morning sir/ma'am or what have you. We didn't have belts or vests for PT. We did have road guards with reflective vests and moon beams when we ran before sun up and that was just for protection from traffic at intersections. Never understood the whole PT belt used by other branches, namely the Army. Was it for when someone fell out, you could grab them by the belt to pull them along or drag their sorry ass to the side of the road?
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USARAK did yellow for joes, orange for NCOs, and blue for Officers. All because some officer didn't get saluted when he wasn't running but still in PTs. Ridiculous. Let's utilize our 5th Principle of Patrolling folks, common fucking sense.
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I vote we put Velcro Patches on the v2 of the PT uniform. We'll place them in the same configuration as the combat uniform, that way if you need unit patches, slap them on. If you need name tapes, slap them on. Want to remember you jumped out of an airplane? Slap on a patch!
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Suspended Profile
I think we should combat test the different colors and see which color attracts the most sniper fire.
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Not sure how I survived 21 years in the Army - Asia Europe Africa - without ONCE wearing a stupid reflective belt OR vest. If someone is too stupid to avoid getting hit by a car...that is the Darwin Principle in effect.
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Rank during PT should be irrelevant, however it’s easy to find the officers and senior NCO’s. They gaggle behind the PT formation so nobody can see that they can’t do more than 15 push-ups before hitting failure and then at that point get up and meander around correcting SM’s. I saw this happen without exception during my 24 years in units pre and post my tenure in SF
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Wow, talk about a non issue. Back in the 90’s we didn’t worry about rank in PTs because you wore them at PT and then went home and changed. We also didn’t have reflective vests or belts unless you were a road guard.
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Basic training is the only place that rank during PT matters. Who ever was in charge of the PT was in charge period. Everyone else is considered rank sterile! If you don’t know what rank everyone in your unit is performing PT, then you have other issues you need to work on. If I assigned one of my E-4’s to run PT, then I don’t care what rank you are, you follow the instructions. If you an officer doing PT and expect to be saluted during that work out, then you have a serious inferiority complex and have picked the wrong profession! I lead PT for HHB I Corps Artillery. We had more brass than the USC marching band. 1 BG, 4 Col, 10 Ltc, 40 Maj, 15 Capt, 2-5 Lt and over 50 E-7 and above! If you were saluting during PT the only workout would be your right arm!
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