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I messed up and received a DUI just recently and along with it I faced charges in court and a GOMOR. I am now being told that even though i am not going to get demoted or article 15, incould face QMP which can lead to separation. Is this something i can overcome? What can i now now to mitigate the damage? With the army increasing its capacity , and mot meeting its recruiting goals, is there a shot I could be retained?
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SSG (Join to see) info about QMP. did you file a rebuttal to the GOMOR? even with the Army not meeting recruiting goals, I would think retention is a slim shot. hopefully, this DUI was an isolated incident. I wish you the best of luck with however this turns out.
http://www.monterey.army.mil/legal/military_law/qmp.pdf
http://www.monterey.army.mil/legal/military_law/qmp.pdf
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The DUI will trigger the QMP during the centralized selection board. It doesn't matter whether your GOMOR is filed locally or in your permanent file, if it's annotated on your NCOER then it will be tough to overcome. You can write a letter to the present of the board but it's a double edge sword.
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The GOMOR will trigger a QMP notification. You should get your notification around the time the MILPER that announces the next centralized promotion board is announced. From notification to ETS is approximately 11 months. You can find the QMP announcement on the HRC website.
In my experience, I have never seen a DUI retained. One guy had over 30 letters of recommendation ranging teammates, to former leaders, MSG - COL and was not retained.
QMP does not look at strengths of the Army, they look at the quality and character of the leader. You will receive half separation pay (unless you're already close to retirement). If you were authorized to go into the reserves, you would receive full separation pay, but last I checked they weren't granting waivers for QMP. Also, if you have an ongoing MEB you will be allowed to finish and separate that way.
In my experience, I have never seen a DUI retained. One guy had over 30 letters of recommendation ranging teammates, to former leaders, MSG - COL and was not retained.
QMP does not look at strengths of the Army, they look at the quality and character of the leader. You will receive half separation pay (unless you're already close to retirement). If you were authorized to go into the reserves, you would receive full separation pay, but last I checked they weren't granting waivers for QMP. Also, if you have an ongoing MEB you will be allowed to finish and separate that way.
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As a police officer I tried very hard not to give any military personnel a DUI unfortunately it was always a career ending event. Sorry
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SrA John Monette
PVT Mark Zehner sometimes, that DUI is exactly what they need to straighten themselves out. I'm sure a lot of veterans who are cops do exactly the same thing
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PVT Mark Zehner
SrA John Monette your right it did a lot of times! Had one guy with 19 years but was so out of control I had no choice
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SSG Johns,
I got myself in trouble a long time ago right after getting promoted to SGT, and sounds something similar I went through by reading your story. Even though the Army didn't punish me too hard...I got charged initially with a DWI which was downgraded to DUI because of my clean driving record at the time. I didn't get demoted either, but I did received a Letter of Reprimand from a two star General which pretty much stamped my career for good as far making E-7. I did end up been promoted to SSG, but SFC forget it. Oh by the way, it was on my NCOER also and the letter went to my permanent records.
I say this because you might be able to stay the rest of the enlistment which might be the best case scenario...and depending on QMP. But it all depends how your situation is looked at...all situations are different. All I can say is good luck because situations like this, they might say..."he should know better".
I got myself in trouble a long time ago right after getting promoted to SGT, and sounds something similar I went through by reading your story. Even though the Army didn't punish me too hard...I got charged initially with a DWI which was downgraded to DUI because of my clean driving record at the time. I didn't get demoted either, but I did received a Letter of Reprimand from a two star General which pretty much stamped my career for good as far making E-7. I did end up been promoted to SSG, but SFC forget it. Oh by the way, it was on my NCOER also and the letter went to my permanent records.
I say this because you might be able to stay the rest of the enlistment which might be the best case scenario...and depending on QMP. But it all depends how your situation is looked at...all situations are different. All I can say is good luck because situations like this, they might say..."he should know better".
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SSG (Join to see)
Thanks for sharing ssg hernandezsanchez. You didnt get any qmp notifications? Are you still in? How long have you been ssg ? How do you know you will not make sfc? You are right. The situation is similar except you got it as an e5.
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Ouch. That Permanent GOMOR will hurt more then an Article 15. Hopefully you are close to your 20. If I was you I would file an Appeal of the GOMOR. I have known some who have overcame QMP but there was a lot behind there stories of the BS. One thing that has been said you wont be promoted to E7 with that GOMOR sitting in ompf. I can speak from the past I had a ruff couple of spots but great leaders who had my back hopefully this works out for you.
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Honestly, a GOMOR is not good.
Per Army QMP MILPER Message 17-308 Issued 27 September 2017
GOMOR was #1 on the list of reason for possible separation. Not sure what measures you can take but I would guess that there are. Did you seek any behavioral health treatment? Just thinking that by addressing the issue and taking corrective measures on your own that may look favorable to the QMP board as others with a GOMOR for same infraction may not have.
http://www.ncosupport.com/armypromotions/army-qmp-board-2018.html
Per Army QMP MILPER Message 17-308 Issued 27 September 2017
GOMOR was #1 on the list of reason for possible separation. Not sure what measures you can take but I would guess that there are. Did you seek any behavioral health treatment? Just thinking that by addressing the issue and taking corrective measures on your own that may look favorable to the QMP board as others with a GOMOR for same infraction may not have.
http://www.ncosupport.com/armypromotions/army-qmp-board-2018.html
Army QMP Board Guidance for FY 2018
MILPER Message 17-308, The purpose of this message is to provide guidance and procedures in support of the QMP. The senior NCO selection boards and QMP boards, currently scheduled for the 2d, 3d, and 4th quarters of Fiscal Year (FY) 18
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Even of you beat the QMP, which I have seen done, you will never see SFC. At least RCP is 20 years for SSG.
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