Posted on Jun 5, 2023
How will the Army transition with transgender in open showers?
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I was doing field rotation that had open showers and had a thought about Transgender personell and how the be treated by other personell. I talked to a female an she said she upset if transwomen in her shower if they still had there male genitals. I asked a male the same thing and he said he wouldn't care. He said "If they identify as a man I will treat them like a man". How would you personally feel about this.
ADMIN NOTE: Be respectful to other RP members who may be in the transgender community.
ADMIN NOTE: Be respectful to other RP members who may be in the transgender community.
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It's overdue for the Supreme Court to rule that there two biological sexes, male or female. Each should confine to their natual born sex, irrespective of what they relate as.
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My hope is that it will not be to ignore the rights of female service members until one files a Tailhook-esque lawsuit to bring attention to the problem.
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I remember back in 1966 when a homosexual was assigned to the G2 Section of 3rd Inf Div. HHC. He always showered in the wee hours when the showers were not in use. I do remember thinking about how that issue could be resolved and the only solution I could come up with was: No person should have to shower with someone who might find them of sexual interest." Which, basically, meant that everyone would need to be able to take "solo: showers. BTW, the homosexual did an outstanding job, easing the load on others in the Section with never any type of "offensive" behavior. He was very quick thinking...I remember one time when we were on maneuvers in a local German town and the fire dept. was called for some reason. The the call was resolved the firemen refused to leave with out getting our lead Officers serial number. He was no present and no one know the number. As the Germans were getting more angry, he, homosexual, said he had found the number and gave it to the Germans and they departed. When asked where he found the number, he replied: "It the Kissinger APO with a 1 in front."
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Not many ppl identify as what ever U say! I see no problem unless U are conflicted with gender in U're own mind. When I was in Afghanistan the first time there were separate times and U might not get any water. It was even worse when Infantry boys were back on camp. Might have gotten better after I left the first time in 2003. Ppl that want combat will maybe get what really happens if U hang around long enough!
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It's funny just a few years ago it was a mental illness now some act and say not a big deal. I'm sorry combat arms will have so many issue, yes many like those here will say stuff to not take a position against. I'm sorry don't join unless you have made the change, you only hurt a units readiness.
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I wouldn't worry about it too much. They will figure it out.
I am retired now, but in my youth, I always advocated to those who supported gay rights in military that new billets would have to be built that allow Straight male and female and Gay and lesbian. That is what I said as it had to do with the mindset of the 1980's and 90's. Well, those building never got built so it shows what I knew. This issue becomes even harder and gets down to some core & religious beliefs of people on both sides. I am not sure there is an easy answer, and I don't envy the commanders who develop these policies.
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Very sorry you were assaulted by lowlife comrades.
I am old school, a Military Brat plus my own 24 year carreer Army and Air Force.
Since i was a youngster in DODS I have respected and admired WACs, WAVs, Donut Dollies...... your courage, dedication and love for our country. It was terrible before all this woke alphabet BS. Now I really fear for our military and the future of our country.
I am old school, a Military Brat plus my own 24 year carreer Army and Air Force.
Since i was a youngster in DODS I have respected and admired WACs, WAVs, Donut Dollies...... your courage, dedication and love for our country. It was terrible before all this woke alphabet BS. Now I really fear for our military and the future of our country.
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I would skip showering and just take a canteen bath or something. Even though the Army just about lost its mind, most soldiers are going to know better and try to avoid seeing what they shouldn't be there.
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Just wash your butt, don't stare at the other person's junk no matter what form it takes, be respectful and exit. As Ling as the troop is next to you watching your 6, that's all you need to know
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If still serving, though I might disagree with the policy, I would respect all. My Christian beliefs challenges me to be kind. I do sympathize with women who might have to shower with biological males. Already, in civilian schools, there has been rapes and we are talking in grades 12 and under. Women deserve respect, privacy, and safety. In my humble opinion.
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Blindfolds! What you can't see can't offend you. In many areas around the world, they have unisex bathrooms. I have delt with trans-men and many, many times I had forgotten they were physically female. Also watch Starship Troopers a few times. the key is focus on who they are and not what they are. Sure, it may feel awkward to you, however if you are professional and mature it will not matter. Do you have a female Doctor? Do you every time she makes you turn you head cough, pop a woody, or checks your prostrate? I have a female doctor and my answer to my question is no. Why because we are professional, she is doing her job and I am checking on my health, just as if you're taken a shower you go in you shower dry off get dressed and go. What else are you going to do in an open shower? Be professional and mature
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Oh my! Transconfusion
Males to the male shower and females to the female shower. Super simple
Give no attention to their delusion.
Males to the male shower and females to the female shower. Super simple
Give no attention to their delusion.
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Just give the TRs their own shower room. problem solved. Women should not be in a position like this in the first place.
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I think they should all be separated in bathrooms and held equally accountable during work/battle hours. We can all act like Klinger during times we are not working
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It’s a shame this is even a conversation for the Military.
The Military is under attack as the last bastion of tradition and standards, instead of asking how the Army will transition the question should be WHY is the Army accepting Transgender, what benefits does a transgender person bring to a combat unit if that person is under constant treatment and still have a higher then normal suicidal rate.
After 40 years of women being assigned to combat units the jury is still out as to their cost benefit (still no 100% all female units or ships).
I would normally use a phrase; Your right to be you includes my right to be free from you, but in the Military that right to be free from you doesn’t exist and you and this social movement are risking members of your unit lives as you allow others to push a agenda.
The Military is under attack as the last bastion of tradition and standards, instead of asking how the Army will transition the question should be WHY is the Army accepting Transgender, what benefits does a transgender person bring to a combat unit if that person is under constant treatment and still have a higher then normal suicidal rate.
After 40 years of women being assigned to combat units the jury is still out as to their cost benefit (still no 100% all female units or ships).
I would normally use a phrase; Your right to be you includes my right to be free from you, but in the Military that right to be free from you doesn’t exist and you and this social movement are risking members of your unit lives as you allow others to push a agenda.
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Perhaps I am too "Old School" but IMHO, any person who is diagnosed with this mental illness should be medically discharged as unfit to serve as an active duty/Guard/Reservist. Just as a person who is overwieght, under performing, not able to achieve physical fitness, etc, is discharged, this is no different.
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There are those who are way up higher in the pecking order than you and I who disagree with you saying that transgenders are "ill" and "unfit." And they are, in fact, going to "win."
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In china they are training to defeat our Infantry and Cav on the field. They don't have to ask whether or not their troops are male or female.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
The Chinese National Army only has about 4.5% women and I can't find that they allow them to serve in combat units.
The Israelis are on their second attempt to integrate females into the Combat Arms, the first try wasn't a shining success. However, the female infantry soldiers serve in on one "non'segregated" battalion. That seems to be pretty segregated to me.
The Israelis are on their second attempt to integrate females into the Combat Arms, the first try wasn't a shining success. However, the female infantry soldiers serve in on one "non'segregated" battalion. That seems to be pretty segregated to me.
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SPC Jesse Roth
CPT Lawrence Cable - Exactly. And their military is highly homogenous. Also no one is a tranny.
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