Posted on Jun 5, 2023
How will the Army transition with transgender in open showers?
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I was doing field rotation that had open showers and had a thought about Transgender personell and how the be treated by other personell. I talked to a female an she said she upset if transwomen in her shower if they still had there male genitals. I asked a male the same thing and he said he wouldn't care. He said "If they identify as a man I will treat them like a man". How would you personally feel about this.
ADMIN NOTE: Be respectful to other RP members who may be in the transgender community.
ADMIN NOTE: Be respectful to other RP members who may be in the transgender community.
Posted 2 y ago
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I would assume that all branches would have a seperate shower or certain times that transgender Soldiers would utilize the showers. I mean who knows. Its tough
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I don't know, but the very first month I took company command a soldier in my unit came into my office and said, hello, I'm pre transition..............
The very next month we had a field exercise and the Battalion CO (the property book owner of the showers) was going to park herself in front of the showers to prevent everyone and anyone from going in there while the transgender soldier was in the shower. I'm sure COL's and GEN's would heed the LTC's career advice and just let the situation happen and move forward with the exercise. I agree, this is not a long term answer. This was the tip of the spear dealing with this new atmosphere.
DEERs is the final authority as far as I'm aware, and the soldier was originally female transitioning into male.
In this situation showers times would have been blocked off to get around the regs and a LTC was going to be the gate keeper to enforce actions that ensured a drama free career moving forward.
Realistically speaking the USAR officers (to include myself as the soldier in question company commander) attached to the potential CNN/MSNBC/FOX headline were just trying to get through the end of the day.
End result was Trump became president the solder hit ETS, and didn't reenlist, and was out before the field exercise. So everyone dodged a potential bullet.
The soldier, originally being female, and already having trouble passing the APFT as female with hormonal assistance wasn't looking to be in a good position when DEER's changed the gender to male when it came to the ACFT.
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Finally, we all know how long it takes ETS orders to be cut when USAR soldiers want out at the end of their contracts.
Welp.................. On a Monday, I submitted three ETS packets from my company command, and to include the transgender soldier in question. Orders were published and in my mil mail account the following Tuesday for the separation for all three of those packets.
The transgender soldier was in no way treated differently than any other soldier. However, all ETS packets were signed, approved and published lickity split that specific day.
The USAR is a very low bar performance wise, and we did lose a soldier that kept green across the board, showed up at the right time in the right uniform, and was always dependable to execute tasks that needed to be executed. They had numerous vehicles on their military driver's license so unit readiness and capability technically went down when they decided not to re-enlist.
The very next month we had a field exercise and the Battalion CO (the property book owner of the showers) was going to park herself in front of the showers to prevent everyone and anyone from going in there while the transgender soldier was in the shower. I'm sure COL's and GEN's would heed the LTC's career advice and just let the situation happen and move forward with the exercise. I agree, this is not a long term answer. This was the tip of the spear dealing with this new atmosphere.
DEERs is the final authority as far as I'm aware, and the soldier was originally female transitioning into male.
In this situation showers times would have been blocked off to get around the regs and a LTC was going to be the gate keeper to enforce actions that ensured a drama free career moving forward.
Realistically speaking the USAR officers (to include myself as the soldier in question company commander) attached to the potential CNN/MSNBC/FOX headline were just trying to get through the end of the day.
End result was Trump became president the solder hit ETS, and didn't reenlist, and was out before the field exercise. So everyone dodged a potential bullet.
The soldier, originally being female, and already having trouble passing the APFT as female with hormonal assistance wasn't looking to be in a good position when DEER's changed the gender to male when it came to the ACFT.
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Finally, we all know how long it takes ETS orders to be cut when USAR soldiers want out at the end of their contracts.
Welp.................. On a Monday, I submitted three ETS packets from my company command, and to include the transgender soldier in question. Orders were published and in my mil mail account the following Tuesday for the separation for all three of those packets.
The transgender soldier was in no way treated differently than any other soldier. However, all ETS packets were signed, approved and published lickity split that specific day.
The USAR is a very low bar performance wise, and we did lose a soldier that kept green across the board, showed up at the right time in the right uniform, and was always dependable to execute tasks that needed to be executed. They had numerous vehicles on their military driver's license so unit readiness and capability technically went down when they decided not to re-enlist.
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Unless things have changed field showers were frigging cold and no one stood around looking at anyone. You were lucky to have 3 minutes to shower. It boiled down to this: Get in there. Get wet. Then get out of my shower.
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"Transgender" as a word should never have been adopted by the federal government. Its use isn't even legal under any state or federal law if they weren't being ignored by "LGBTQ+" activist, religious conservatives and the courts! By law every hospital is supposed to be using the ICD. No where in the IVD, DSM or any legitimate research has it ever stated everyone diagnosed "transsexual, GID, GD or Gender incongruent all self identify as "Transgender" or as LGBTQ+".
As a Veteran that legally changed their sex not "gender" never was it legal to call me "Transgender" or to "include" me into the "LGBTQ+". Its a fight I've had with the VA since before the use of the word Transgender was officially adopted across the VA. States control the issuance of birth certificates in all cases accept when someone is born overseas. That means they fall under the full faith and credit clause. All other states and the federal government must recognize the court orders and documents issued by other states. Also the "LGBTQ+" and religious conservatism a like act to violate the Constitution. Under the first Amendment we have rights to freledom of association. Someone can't just "include" you in a group without your consent! No where in any state law has it ever stated based on a sex a person no longer legally is you can call them a word based on the sex they no longer legally are "Transgender" and then further deny their individual rights under the law and Constitution and "include" them into the "LGBTQ+". How goes someone become "LGBTQ+" without employing a severe amount of mental gymnastics and employing an illegal and UnConstitutional test to determine who is male, female, heterosexual enough and not to icky a sexual sinner? That also violates the first amendment right to freedom of religious belief. I don't have to live by a generic religious conservative one size fits all religion!
The media has consistently and persistently blatantly lied to create and maintain a divisional culture war that facts do not support. Not every American buys into the idea we must all be liberals and conservatives and constantly at war with each other! None of this ever should have been allowed into the VA or DOD. Its all toxic politics that destroys individual rights and subverts the U.S Constitution and existing laws. I didn't go through what I did to be trans or "LGBTQ+" anything or a to be a boogeyman for the religious right. I did it to be myself and to be comfortable in my own skin.
As a Veteran that legally changed their sex not "gender" never was it legal to call me "Transgender" or to "include" me into the "LGBTQ+". Its a fight I've had with the VA since before the use of the word Transgender was officially adopted across the VA. States control the issuance of birth certificates in all cases accept when someone is born overseas. That means they fall under the full faith and credit clause. All other states and the federal government must recognize the court orders and documents issued by other states. Also the "LGBTQ+" and religious conservatism a like act to violate the Constitution. Under the first Amendment we have rights to freledom of association. Someone can't just "include" you in a group without your consent! No where in any state law has it ever stated based on a sex a person no longer legally is you can call them a word based on the sex they no longer legally are "Transgender" and then further deny their individual rights under the law and Constitution and "include" them into the "LGBTQ+". How goes someone become "LGBTQ+" without employing a severe amount of mental gymnastics and employing an illegal and UnConstitutional test to determine who is male, female, heterosexual enough and not to icky a sexual sinner? That also violates the first amendment right to freedom of religious belief. I don't have to live by a generic religious conservative one size fits all religion!
The media has consistently and persistently blatantly lied to create and maintain a divisional culture war that facts do not support. Not every American buys into the idea we must all be liberals and conservatives and constantly at war with each other! None of this ever should have been allowed into the VA or DOD. Its all toxic politics that destroys individual rights and subverts the U.S Constitution and existing laws. I didn't go through what I did to be trans or "LGBTQ+" anything or a to be a boogeyman for the religious right. I did it to be myself and to be comfortable in my own skin.
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PFC Lisa McDonald
Add to that I am not a member of the fake and really criminally treasonous "Transgender community", "LGBTQ+" or religious conservativism! I am an American, a Veteran and I am not giving either side a single piece of my Constitutional rights!
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They shouldn’t be in the military to begin with males females no damn transgender.
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