Posted on Jun 30, 2016
How will the military handle transgendered and APFT/AR 600-9?
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With the lifting of the ban on transgender service members openly serving, I have a serious question about the APFT standards as well as the Ht/Wt standards.
If a biological male SM declares himself to be a transgender (aka identifies as female) does that SM get to take the APFT based on the female standards for his(her) age?
And do the female standards for body fat percentage apply as well?
Has anyone really thought about the impact of this? How does this work? As an NCO, how do I score an APFT for this individual? Do I need a female NCO to tape this SM? How does SHARP adjust?
If a biological male SM declares himself to be a transgender (aka identifies as female) does that SM get to take the APFT based on the female standards for his(her) age?
And do the female standards for body fat percentage apply as well?
Has anyone really thought about the impact of this? How does this work? As an NCO, how do I score an APFT for this individual? Do I need a female NCO to tape this SM? How does SHARP adjust?
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Lt Col Paul Maxwell
And for those that watched the movie.... It was no big deal to the troopers. Adapt and drive onward.
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SSG (Join to see)
From the research that I did, the movie took place in approximately 2230...So we've basically got about 214 years until we can all shower comfortably together and look like models when doing so :-)
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I wouldn't worry too much about it. It will take a minimum of 18 months of LLD and not being fit for full duty after months and months of paper work which will result in an extremely risky and expensive surgery then followed by hormonal treatments that will basically wreck the individual in the process. DNA denial will be very taxing for anyone involved. Although they will receive head of the line privileges while your great Uncle Eddie who stormed the beach at Normandy is dying in the waiting room at your local VA, it will still be a very slow process. As long as you understand how essential this is to the Military's mission you'll do fine. Don't concern yourself with the pesky details as they get crammed down your throat by weak-kneed leaders who are afraid of their own shadows. All that will be ironed out very soon and will be explained in the mandatory training Power Point session that 2.1 million people will be forced to suffer through on a monthly basis for the next 8 years (and don't forget about NKO/AKO!). NO NEED TO WORRY! the 4,200 people in the service with gender dysphoria really appreciate your concern and are very excited about this and the Palm Center will be monitoring Military Leadership to ensure the process is IAW their standards. Once you participate in your first transgender appreciation military 5k color run during transgender pride month with your children, all will be fine and you will have shown your chain of command how much you really care. Besides, with the new transgender recruiting quotas that "won't really exist", the Navy will be pinning on anchors and LCDR right out of Boot Camp and OCS! Again, NO NEED TO WORRY, they'll actually be running the Physical training program any way and you will be answering to an E-7 who's been in the service as long your socks! So cheer up! good time are just around the corner and ISIL, Iran, China, and Russia are shaking in their boots scared!
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This is my question, as well. I believe that the entire situation opens up the proverbial "can of worms." The scenario that SGT Starnes describes may only be the "tip of the iceberg."
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I feel that for the APFT and HT/WT, the army will come up with new standards for transgender, so you will have Male, Female and Transgender standards. It will be somewhere in-between male and female standards. This way the military will recognize that the person is not completely male or female but both (because of hormone therapy). These standards will only apply to Soldiers on hormone therapy so male Soldiers cant come to the APFT and state that they are identifying as female today (we know there are Soldiers that would try that). Since the military is going to a single room with common area concept with the barracks, I dont think that will be an issue either.
BLUF: I glad I am retired!
BLUF: I glad I am retired!
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SSG Roger Ayscue
You gotta be crapping me right Top! Damn, what a mess.....I too am Glad I am retired.
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That's a good question, I bet the one who made the decision to changed the rules for them to identify themselves as male or female forgot to think about that one. I know the uniforms are different between males and females also. What will the decision on that be? When it comes to work uniforms verses dress uniforms?
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The Army says that they will use their biological gender, not how they "identify". My advice to you: put you head down and keep coloring. Don't let this rent space in your head.
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This is a very good question. I think it should be based on what gender they were born as but ultimately it's going to have to come down to one standard for all. That's the only true way to cut all the BS that these changes will cause.
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The real question should be, "when will we move to one physical fitness standard for all service members?"
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What should happen now that the military is being socially controlled by the left.
The military is Green. It's not black, brown, yellow, red, white, or any other color. It is green.
The military is genderless. It should not be male or female or other. If a 250lbs soldier is wounded, the smallest or skinniest soldier should still be able to move that soldier to relative safety in a timely manner.
To that end, all soldiers should wear there basic uniform 24/7 when on base. And that uniform should be the same for all personnel. The same physical standards should apply to everybody. After all, they will all have to be able to perform the same duties in combat whether they are HQ or combat unit. Enemies won't care about your MOS or rank if you are within their sights.
Elite combat units can have additional performance standards that everybody must pass to qualify for that unit.
Because in the end we are all soldiers. And our race is Green. And our gender is get the job done.
The military is Green. It's not black, brown, yellow, red, white, or any other color. It is green.
The military is genderless. It should not be male or female or other. If a 250lbs soldier is wounded, the smallest or skinniest soldier should still be able to move that soldier to relative safety in a timely manner.
To that end, all soldiers should wear there basic uniform 24/7 when on base. And that uniform should be the same for all personnel. The same physical standards should apply to everybody. After all, they will all have to be able to perform the same duties in combat whether they are HQ or combat unit. Enemies won't care about your MOS or rank if you are within their sights.
Elite combat units can have additional performance standards that everybody must pass to qualify for that unit.
Because in the end we are all soldiers. And our race is Green. And our gender is get the job done.
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Good question, only solution is to continue scoring based on giving regulations until new regulations are issued. So in case you find yourself in such situation all you can say is "Sorry I am using current scoring regulations, but once the new ones are issued, you can retake the PT test."
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