Posted on Sep 23, 2015
How would "Hip-Hop/Rap" be now if Gangster Rap had been a fleeting trend and/or it stopped glamorizing African American racial slurs?
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What do you perceive as the difference between hip hop and rap music?
How could you see the genre being now hadn't money, sex, drugs, and violence taken priority over uplifting, educational, and thought-provoking messages?
How could you see the genre being now hadn't money, sex, drugs, and violence taken priority over uplifting, educational, and thought-provoking messages?
Edited 9 y ago
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If you know what Hip Hop is vs. rap itself, Hip Hop was originally formed as a means to get a message from the various ghettos out in music form. Grand Master Flash and the Furious Five talked about "White Lines". No glorification of violence in it, yet it told of a soon to be crisis in the ghettos called crack. Public Enemy was also along the lines of militant Hip Hop with their focus on education. What eventually got them into trouble wasn't their views or stances per say, but Prof. McGriff's anti Semitic comments that got him removed from the S1W. And P.E. wasn't an ignorant band either. Chuck was a college graduate and is now a professor on his own and still making records. Back in the 80's most of the rappers of the time were college graduates. Gangsta rap was an "evolution/de-evolution" of Hip Hop. It still brought the message of the streets, but rather than keep it clean as had been done before, it used vulgarity and shock value to get it's point across. Same overall message, completely different delivery. Corporate America bought into the whole "gangsta rap" genre and then they massed produced them (Model T Ford style) the moment the cross over appeal was discovered. Hence today you can hear re-hashed versions of the same crimes committed by everyone and their mother. And everyone is from the ghetto. Man I never knew there were SOO many people from the SAME ghettos doing the SAME crimes, and the cops are clueless. Yeah. Right. Hip Hop is a lifestyle, where rap is a "skill" where you can put words together and they happen to rhyme. It doesn't have to make any sense even. You could break this down even farther, but like French Montana said "Conscious Rap/Hip Hop doesn't sell". As stupid, ignorant, (I can't stand him BTW), he is right. You want to make money, lie, lie, take another identity (Rick Ross), lie, and when you make it "big" get a sudden charge or short prison term (Lil Wayne and TI). Did I mention lie?
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
SSG Warren Swan profoundly stated and articulately expressed response!
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Cpl (Join to see)
I've listened to several of Prof Grif's interviews including the ones he has done with Alex Jones. He lost a lot of followers when he started talking about artists selling their souls to the Illuminati and Baphomet for the "green" with regards to the corporate buyout of the hip-hop movement.
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SSG Warren Swan
Cpl (Join to see) - The moment any artist mentions the Illuminati or some other "secret squirrel" group, it's turn to the next Taylor Swift station. This whole NWO BS or some behind the scenes crap is IMO just a way to keep your name in rotation. And for Grif, all this mofo had to do was keep the S1W doing drill sequences and saluting over and over again. Not to say he had no words of wisdom, but every celeb has a fool or two following them, but he wasn't the celeb. Chuck, Terminator, and Flav were what everyone wanted. And the S1W fell off hard without Grif, but PE didn't. Damn I was just listening to 911 is a Joke YESTERDAY and here we are talking about PE.
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As an avid hip hop head I have watched my beloved art turn into something I can't even recognize anymore. My best friend and I both Senior NCO's and MC'S in our on right, have asked this very same question. Hip hop would have remained in its purest form. However money would have come along eventually. Anything that makes money will be snatched up by a corporation at some point. I missed the days of Eric B and Rakim, A Tribe Called Quest, Big Daddy Kane, and KRS1. This music was my generations music. Sadly I feel nonviolent and lyricists will soon be a thing of the past. I wish it wasn't so though.
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SGT (Join to see)
Sir, what did you see as the major turning point for Hip Hop and Gangster Rap? What do you consider to be the difference between hip hop and rap?
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CMSgt (Join to see)
1989 and NWA things have never been the same. I just explain this to my 14 year old son last night, funny you ask. Hip hop is Lyricism ie ( Skyzoo, Black Thought, and Scarface) Rap is meaningless nonsense ie (Rich Homie Quan, Migos, and Future).
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SGT (Join to see)
What's your take on the conspiracy which states in the past a big meeting was held explaining big wigs needed to find a way to feel prisons?
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Now into my mid-to-late 40's, my mother still rolls her eyes as I roll into her drive-way. Mini-van full of her grandchildren. I get a tongue-lashing for "playing that crap too loud." Whatever, Mom. The kids are simply being exposed to "oldies" ...albeit the Scorpions. Besides, the kids don't like Glen Miller!
It's. Just. My. Music.
It's. Just. My. Music.
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Capt Mark Strobl
SGT (Join to see) - Scorpions are a metal band: Made their "break out" in the early 80's with "Rock You Like a Hurricane." Glen Miller was a "Big Band" artist --Kinda defines the sound of the 40's/50's. Hits included "In the Mood," and "String of Pearls." Oddly, they both appear in my music library.
Sorry, it's was sort of a way to say, "I'm not into Hip Hop." Shoot, Run DMC, NWA, and the Sugarhill Gang were the only artists that I know that might fit into appropriately answering your original question. And yes, those bands are in my library as well.
I guess my point is music is art. It's how you interpret it; how you enjoy it; what you make of it; and what it makes of you.
Sorry, it's was sort of a way to say, "I'm not into Hip Hop." Shoot, Run DMC, NWA, and the Sugarhill Gang were the only artists that I know that might fit into appropriately answering your original question. And yes, those bands are in my library as well.
I guess my point is music is art. It's how you interpret it; how you enjoy it; what you make of it; and what it makes of you.
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SGT (Join to see)
Nothing to apologize about. I like hearing about different artists. I just found out about Vbyz Kartel and Dancehall from Jamaica.
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LTC Paul Labrador
Capt Mark Strobl - well if you want to get into parallels, Glen Miller was the non-offensive, "white bread" version of Swing and Jazz. If you wanted edgy and risqué, you listened to cats like Cab Calloway. No one could sing subliminally about drugs and sex as well as Cab.
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SGT (Join to see)
LTC Paul Labrador - I'll be looking into that on Youtube later tonight - because I failed myself 10 months ago.
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