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On of the local radio morning shows had a guest from a Washington Libertarian thinktank (Downsize DC) on that stated the way to deal w/ NK is to just expose them to western culture.
Does this guy not think that we've been trying to do this for some time now? Does he not realize that Un has absolute & complete control of his people? Anytime someone is even thought of trying to find out about the west, there are mass executions, or people just disappear. How do you expose a nation to your culture when there's really only one city in NK w/ power, and all info in that city is strictly controlled?
A caller asked him at what time has the US ever successfully changed a cult - which is, essentially, what NK is right now. The guest, conveniently, didn't have time to answer the question.
Does this guy not think that we've been trying to do this for some time now? Does he not realize that Un has absolute & complete control of his people? Anytime someone is even thought of trying to find out about the west, there are mass executions, or people just disappear. How do you expose a nation to your culture when there's really only one city in NK w/ power, and all info in that city is strictly controlled?
A caller asked him at what time has the US ever successfully changed a cult - which is, essentially, what NK is right now. The guest, conveniently, didn't have time to answer the question.
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I think one can deal with him without Regime change. The fact is that his grandfather, father and now Un would throw the crazy act and somehow manage to get concessions from the major powers. I think that even China is sick of the act, which is threatening it's relationship with it's two largest economic partners in the region, S.Korea and Japan. Maybe this would be a good place for an MOAB over Un's residence. A missile hitting Khaddafi's compound seemed to have changed his attitude about starting trouble.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
SSgt (Join to see) - I think that has been in the works for some time. It's already apparent that China is more than willing to exert economic pressure on Un, it remains to be seen if they would take military action to curtail his threats.
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Maj Walter Kilar
China is not going to exert military pressure on Kim Jong Un. As long as China has indirect control over North Korea, and has them as a buffer between them and the democracies in the rest of the Trans Pacific, they are okay with the status quo. If anyone does take out KJU, it will have to be done from the inside, or in a way that it looks like it was done from the inside. Besides, flying a MOAB into North Korea with a C-130 will not work due to the air defenses. Maybe a B-2 could "accidentally" drop a precision guided munition (PGM) over KJU's residence--"Oops. A PGM fell out of the bomb bay when we were carrying this broken bomb from Diego Garcia to the repair shop in Japan."
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CPT Lawrence Cable
Maj Walter Kilar - I think China's actions will depend on how much real control China has over Un. I can't see them allowing him to take military action against either of it's major regional trading partners, something that would get into their pockets, without having some bad consequences of UN.
The realistic weapon for delivering a message would probably still be the cruise missile. I will point out that the maximum payload for a C130 is about 45,000 pounds, while the B52 is 70,000 and the B1B is 75,000, so what we have delivered the MOAB and what we can deliver the MOAB with may be two different things.
The realistic weapon for delivering a message would probably still be the cruise missile. I will point out that the maximum payload for a C130 is about 45,000 pounds, while the B52 is 70,000 and the B1B is 75,000, so what we have delivered the MOAB and what we can deliver the MOAB with may be two different things.
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Maj Walter Kilar
CPT Lawrence Cable - I afraid it is not so easy to deploy a MOAB (GBU-43) from anything but a C-130. "It's not the size that matters, but how you use it", and the MOAB was designed to be used on a cargo plane. It is a non-standard munition on a cargo skid. I agree that cruise missiles are good "strategic messengers", just as the MOAB is a different kind of messenger for a different situation.
China allies itself with North Korea due to convenience, but it lacks real control over it or its dictator. Historically, China has supported a unified Korea, preferably as a communist regime. If North Korea were to attack South Korea, I could see China pretending to renounce the aggression while doing nothing unless North Korea accidentally hit Japan. I doubt North Korea would openly attack Japan, but nobody knows where those missiles will land when fired--not even North Korea.
China allies itself with North Korea due to convenience, but it lacks real control over it or its dictator. Historically, China has supported a unified Korea, preferably as a communist regime. If North Korea were to attack South Korea, I could see China pretending to renounce the aggression while doing nothing unless North Korea accidentally hit Japan. I doubt North Korea would openly attack Japan, but nobody knows where those missiles will land when fired--not even North Korea.
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First despite their rhetoric, North Korea is not going to nuke us. They know the end result would be their country in ashes.
I would ignore them and stop responding to their threats.
I would ignore them and stop responding to their threats.
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SSG Edward Tilton
They have been yelling into those loudspeakers since 1953. Ignoring them is the beginning. Close the railway coming north from Munsan. Perhaps shoot down one of their missile launches or take one out at the launch pad.
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My opinion is by no means one of a subject matter expert, but I did spend one assignment at Osan Air Base, Republic of Korea and a handful of temporary duty assignments with the Army at Uijongbu. It is a foregone conclusion that a full-spectrum war due to invasion by DPRK (see OPLAN 5027 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPLAN_5027) would be disastrous for ROK and possibly Japan. The scenario that we exercise with an internal cout d'etat or externally forced regime change (see OPLAN 5029 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPLAN_5029) is what we should hope for. North Koreans who have escaped, as well as native South Koreans would prefer a coup d'état or externally forced regime change (check out this interview with escaped North Koreans as well as the other videos on this channel that have interviews with Japanese folks answering how they would deal with North Korea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceFvtT6Gung).
In short, I would deal with North Korea by working with China to overthrow Kim Jong Un from within, incite riots within the KJU regime, and have the people rise up. The U.S., China, and South Korea would need to come in and stabilize North Korea afterwards. The U.S. and the Republic of Korea would prefer that the two nations unite, but China may push for North Korea to remain independent under a new leader. At first China may want that leader to be communist, but they may accept a democratic leader as long as they can exert their hegemony over an independent North Korea.
In short, I would deal with North Korea by working with China to overthrow Kim Jong Un from within, incite riots within the KJU regime, and have the people rise up. The U.S., China, and South Korea would need to come in and stabilize North Korea afterwards. The U.S. and the Republic of Korea would prefer that the two nations unite, but China may push for North Korea to remain independent under a new leader. At first China may want that leader to be communist, but they may accept a democratic leader as long as they can exert their hegemony over an independent North Korea.
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If it was just me, I would talk to the Chinese and say, it is all yours and you need to get you new province in control but only because South Korea wants nothing to do with their cousins to the North? I think too many people give North Korea more concern than they deserve. North Korea does not have the economic power to oppose South Korea or Japan. Either nation would crush North Korea if it every tried to put bite to its bark AND the North Koreans KNOW this.
To boil it down to the simplest terms, how do you deal with a the little dog next door that keeps barking? You can say something to the owners (China) but if they can't or won't do anything...and you can't or won't just crush the mutt..turn up the volume on the TV a little? It really does not do any good yelling at the dog, it actually gets the attention it is seeking?
If it was just me, I would talk to the Chinese and say, it is all yours and you need to get you new province in control but only because South Korea wants nothing to do with their cousins to the North? I think too many people give North Korea more concern than they deserve. North Korea does not have the economic power to oppose South Korea or Japan. Either nation would crush North Korea if it every tried to put bite to its bark AND the North Koreans KNOW this.
To boil it down to the simplest terms, how do you deal with a the little dog next door that keeps barking? You can say something to the owners (China) but if they can't or won't do anything...and you can't or won't just crush the mutt..turn up the volume on the TV a little? It really does not do any good yelling at the dog, it actually gets the attention it is seeking?
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China has proven themselves unwilling, or unable, to reign in North Korea. It saddens me to think this, but I believe the only way to deal with North Korea, once and for all can be summed up in 2 words: Carpet Bombing.
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Maj Walter Kilar
China does not reign North Korea, but they have them where they want them--in between the U.S.A. and them. China sees no advantage to physically controlling North Korea. Carpet bombing is a bad idea, because any shooting exchange with North Korea is going to result in a lot of civilian casualties. They have plenty of artillery to destroy much of the Korean peninsula, and they have missiles that will hit Japan if they are aimed at the U.S.A. (if they do not splash into the Sea of Japan).
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Hard to boycott them while trying to open factories there. Hyundai and Samsung have no reservations about employing North Korean labor to undercut South Korean wages. It is easy enough not to buy a Hyundai but Samsung has a near monopoly in some products
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SSG Edward Tilton Not boycotting SK. But if you cut all their abilities to bring in money (since it's pretty much only coming from China), you stand a chance. The problem remains that the NK people are completely under the control of Un. They are practically blind to western culture because everything is so controlled in the one city that has the ability to have mass electronics such as TV, or computers, or radios.
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SSG Edward Tilton
The morons who negotiated our trade agreement allowed giant corporation to export goods assembled in the north as products of the ROK. So you have no way of knowing.I try my best to avoid them.
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Cut the head off the dragon. From what I've been able to find there isn't much in the way of a line of succession. With the way the little man has been offing people lately, it seems that it could be likely that NK could start a shift for the better in that case.
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We should deal only with China. We do this by asking them to resolve the situation first. Then we shut off the port of Los Angeles to them and do not allow any cargo from China to enter our Country.
From US Today: The U.S. shipped $116 billion of goods to China in 2016, making it the third largest export market after Canada and Mexico, according to the Department of Commerce. But that figure pales compared to the $463 billion in imports from China. The result is a U.S. trade deficit of $347 billion, the largest of any U.S. trading partner.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/99989116/
From US Today: The U.S. shipped $116 billion of goods to China in 2016, making it the third largest export market after Canada and Mexico, according to the Department of Commerce. But that figure pales compared to the $463 billion in imports from China. The result is a U.S. trade deficit of $347 billion, the largest of any U.S. trading partner.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/99989116/
U.S.-China trade scorecard: advantage China
President Trump plans to prod China's president this week to make trade relations more balanced.
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LTC (Join to see) Excellent point, sir! We could also get Japan & SK to reflect something like this, too. Money woes hurt bad, and if you start inflicting money woes, people act quick to relieve themselves of those woes.
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SSgt (Join to see) - I am sure that the cries of a Trade War are not too far behind but what are the options. Since I have been alive we have endured with the same problems and no one wants to solve them. Either they are not solvable or they are benefiting to some degree with the current situation. Who has more to loose? Could China find another country to dump the goods in? Maybe. I know this. NK will not get solved by anyone today bc everyone is upset at Trump bc he gets two scoops of ice cream.
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UN Ambassador Haley Speaks to the Press on North Korea - 5/16/17
Ambassador Haley's Remarks at a Joint Press Availability Before UN Security Council Consultations on North Korea - 5/16/17
Pressure China to handle the situation or something like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olvt2MMjznA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olvt2MMjznA
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MSgt James Mullis I agree, sir. I apologize for editing my question after you responded. The only way to get more than 400 characters is to edit it after you post.
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