Posted on Oct 13, 2017
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Maj John Bell
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Edited 11 mo ago
Out of uniform and off-base, nothing identifying him or her as a service member; I'd let it pass.

In uniform or actively signaling that he/she is a service member, I'd identify myself and ask to see ID. Then I would ask their unit, the unit's phone number, and the unit's senior SNCO. Finally I would tell them that I would be referring the matter to their senior SNCO, and advise them that they probably want to make sure that SNCO knows before 0800 on the next work day. Because I will by 0815. And God help them if they've lied about what unit they belong to because I will track them down.
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SGT Pt Tech
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MAJ Bell, I would tell you a fake name and a fake unit and a fake staff duty number
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Maj John Bell
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SGT (Join to see) - You just potentially told tens of thousands of active-duty members that you have an integrity problem. So, I'm not overly concerned that you will outsmart me.

But back to the scenario. If you stuck around, I'd demand your military ID. If you claim you don't have it. I'd take you into custody. Now you've got a choice, prove yourself a liar or bolt. If you bolt, there's a good chance I'd find you anyway. (See 5 comments up). It isn't difficult.

In either case, you've taken a minor problem and made it a big one. Good luck with that though.
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PV2 Mary Gilmartin
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Thank you and for your resolution because I would do the exact same thing.
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SSG Jeremy Sharp Okay, so now you risk an SM's right to protest, when not in uniform, because you're opening the "conduct unbecoming" can of worms, to use as a "catch-all". So, you punish a soldier who, while not in uniform, you saw take a knee for the anthem at a Knicks game. What happens, when you see a soldier at a PEACEFUL Black Lives Matter protest, while not in uniform?
Do they also face UCMJ? Both protests are in the same vein and represent EXTREMELY divisive topics, currently.
Last I read, as long as you cannot be identified as a member of the military (meaning a civilian can't automatically tell, vis-a-vis, a uniform or visible dog tags), and you aren't going to a Klan or Black Panthers march or protest, the UCMJ still protects an SM's First Amendment rights
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Depends on the circumstances.

Off duty and out of uniform, we would have a quiet conversation.

On duty and/or in uniform, he would have a really bad day.
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Capt William Norton
Capt William Norton
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It is sad some people can not accept our past is not perfect and move on. More things today are worthy of your care than one word from the past. Our freedom is in peril and our government attacked from within. We the people had best get together and face the challenge to our freedom. It is not the word from a song to fear, it is the oppression of control being forced upon we the people.
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MSgt Earl King
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LCDR Allen Stout - , Thank You, most people don't have a clue, White Washing!!
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PV2 Mary Gilmartin
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I guess a bad day may include an unwanted Court Martial!
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SSgt Bruce Probert
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LCDR Allen Stout -YOUR COMMENT ON THE ANTHEM IS A REACH MAYBE YOU SHOULD RE READ IT
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COL William Oseles
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If a soldier kneels during the National Anthem he or she can be Courts Martialed.
Free Speech in the military is constrained by the UCMJ.

DOD Directive 1344.10 - POLITICAL ACTIVITIES BY MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES ON ACTIVE DUTY, extend these same requirements to all individuals on active duty.
Active duty enlisted members and warrant officers who violate these provisions can be charged under Article 92 of the UCMJ, Failure to Obey an Order or Regulation.
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SSgt Carroll Straus
SSgt Carroll Straus
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MSgt Earl King AFSC 30474, electronics. Not commication in the verbal sense. Einstein.
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SSgt Carroll Straus
SSgt Carroll Straus
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MSgt Earl King you check my profile. AFSC 30474 is journeyman electronics tech. Radio waves, not words. NIW, I am an actual lawyer. I don’t know what I said, so my point is not possible to know. I don’t recall commenting on this topic, as I’m not particularly interested in it.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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SSgt Carroll Straus -
LMAO...
SGT (Lawyer) STROUSE,?
When I Started My First Business, My Main Clientele Were Doctors, Dentists An Lawyers.
I Loved Them ALL,
But You Lawyers Seldom Know Shit About The Law:
Exactly Why You Lawyers Prefer Settling Out Of Court; Haven't A CLUE About The Procedures It Takes To Defend Or Prosecute Either,
And Lawyers Fear Of The Repercussions From The Judge And Laughter From The Jury & Spectators....
But You DO Know Great Kentucky Bourbon..
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SSgt Carroll Straus
SSgt Carroll Straus
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney seriously? Who wizzed in your cornflakes, Einstein? This is total sheep dip.
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