Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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Posted 9 y ago
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I've dealt with this and I'm a Specialist not an NCO. I calmly remind them that I told them to do it and that things could be worse. Now I have it a little bit easier though all my orders are backed up by my squad leader and my platoon sgt. Usually when I have to delegate details or jobs it's because my squad leader is away. So if it continues it goes straight to a SFC. I have no pitty for those who get on his bad side.
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I'm old school Navy so he wouldn't of been standing in formation for long and would of been picking his ass off the ground. Today's Navy would of been counseling.
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Take them to the side and tell them that if they don't fucking do it they'll be cleaning heads for the next 6 months...with their toothbrush.
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Punching them squarely in the face would get the best long term results. Others would think twice before doing something so stupid. The downside is the jail sentence. Might be worth it, though.
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wait for all to leave then ask why this E-2 was being lippy give him every opportunity to explain
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Are you the LPO? If so, Counseling Chit. Written out ready to submit. Have a meeting saying this is going in unless you can tell me what is up with your public pronouncements? If they continue with the complaining submit the chit. It appears that your E2 feels like they made a bad decision joining the Navy, or perhaps there are other unknown issues. It requires some research prior to dropping the hammer. You should seek the advice of your LPO or Chief. This on-line stuff is nice, but your LPO/chief can probably provide better advice.
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After reading through the comments a bit I noticed something of a trend. Why do Army Personnel go straight for the Article 15. I was trained throughout the Navy that sending them to Captains Mast (article 15) means that I the supervisor could not handle the situation at my level. Depending on the severity of the disrespect, i would tell said individual, to standby by after Quarters ( formation) for a "Discussion"and get the LPO (senior E6) to observe my counseling . If the offence is severe enough, I would have to make an example in front of the work center ( squad ).
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SPC Don Wynn
Well, AR15 in Army could be company level, meaning no permanent record of incident, while still losing pay and/or time. And there most definitely would be some type of counseling session; either privately in top's office or with E-6 present, with bare minimum of ascertaining E-2's mental state (have you lost what little mind you have?) as well as all the physical activity this little welp could handle for about 1 hour.
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Write up and counseling. If it happens again another write-up, more counseling, and possibly an Art.15-company level(2wk/2wk). 3rd time deserves a write up and art15-Co.lvl. no matter what. 4 th time go Field grade and out they go.
As to "counseling" - a problem private is your problem. You are required to fix. So be prepared to spend some time finding out what the real problem is and doing some correction, not just the paperwork and explaining why.
As to "counseling" - a problem private is your problem. You are required to fix. So be prepared to spend some time finding out what the real problem is and doing some correction, not just the paperwork and explaining why.
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SPC Christopher Perrien
The above was NCO boilerplate , as I knew it when I was in 85-89,90-91. However at E-4 , we had easier ways. We could just report them to whoever ordered us to get something done and bam hit them with the "in effect I was acting at the rank of E-5 to O-6 telling your sorry E-2 ass what to do". There was also the "other-side", since I was a member of what is now known as the E-4 mafia, even though we never knew that in the "woodland camo gang", The Lord would not have helped an E-2 if he got on the bad side of us, and usually a mouthing off private found that out super quick either from the immediate "acts of god " that soon happened or the panicky warnings of his fellow (usually basic/AIT buddies) privates about what would happen to a private who crossed a member of the now invented "E-4 mafia". Get with the program or you will be getting out, one way or another. Our code was our bond, power, and authority, we made the army and kept it running right back then, no NCO babying, write-ups, or Article 15's required.
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