Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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After work starts immediately take the soldier to the office and write Him/Her up for disrespect to a NCO and a warning of the actions that can be taken and let them know this is the one and only warning. Next he will have to see the chain of command.
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You tell the E2 this is a command not a request. Unlike civilian life if he does not comply and continues to treat you with disrespect he will be in subordination and he will suffer the consequences for his actions. Ask him does he really want this to occur? Do his job and be quiet when doing it be a role model not an example of what happens to those who fail to obey orders.
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GySgt Ken Norwood
In my case mentioned above the Young LCpl did receive NJP. At the end of the day he was an E2 and on restriction for the remaining time in the Corps, 13 days versus the 14 he would have normally gotten.
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Reward in PUBLIC; Discipline in PRIVATE!
Within 24-72 hours of being assign to my platoon, that new SOLDIER will receive their initial counseling laying out the duties, responsibilities, unit mission and expectations. I had only 3 rules: 1. Do as you're told; 2. Do as you're told and 3. Do as you're told. If you do that, you shouldn't have any problems with me. I'm not going to ask a SOLDIER to do anything that's illegal, unethical and immoral. Before the counseling session ends, the SOLDIER will have an opportunity to voice any concerns and misunderstanding. So when a situation pop up like this, the SOLDIER know the consequences.
Within 24-72 hours of being assign to my platoon, that new SOLDIER will receive their initial counseling laying out the duties, responsibilities, unit mission and expectations. I had only 3 rules: 1. Do as you're told; 2. Do as you're told and 3. Do as you're told. If you do that, you shouldn't have any problems with me. I'm not going to ask a SOLDIER to do anything that's illegal, unethical and immoral. Before the counseling session ends, the SOLDIER will have an opportunity to voice any concerns and misunderstanding. So when a situation pop up like this, the SOLDIER know the consequences.
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All sailors respond to their time and money being threatened. I can't take your money, but if you waste my time, you better believe you are paying it back in kind, even if it means I need to be a martyr. Normally I will talk to the individual one-on-one after quarters but if it is a continued behavior--which seems to be a trend with younger sailors unfortunately--the whole division gets lit up. One team, one fight. Most good sailors don't like getting punished for someone else's mistakes so they start correcting each other before it ever gets to my eyes/ears.
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I don't know if they still have a place called CC or Corrective Custody, but you do not want to be sent there.
I would have his entire squad stand fast and send the rest to their work details.
I would reiterate how we rely on teamwork to get our jobs done. I would explain how a chain is as strong as its weakest link.
I would tell them we have a weak link in our squad. I cant have that in our squad, company or the Marine Corps. It's shitbirds like him that will get us killed.
I would tell the entire squad, that there is no liberty until this weak link is fixed. When you think you have it fixed, you come tell me that it's fixed. Then and only then, you can all go.
Have private shit bird doesn't straighten up, I'll do my best to get them sent to CC for a while. I guarantee he will come back a changed man.
I would have his entire squad stand fast and send the rest to their work details.
I would reiterate how we rely on teamwork to get our jobs done. I would explain how a chain is as strong as its weakest link.
I would tell them we have a weak link in our squad. I cant have that in our squad, company or the Marine Corps. It's shitbirds like him that will get us killed.
I would tell the entire squad, that there is no liberty until this weak link is fixed. When you think you have it fixed, you come tell me that it's fixed. Then and only then, you can all go.
Have private shit bird doesn't straighten up, I'll do my best to get them sent to CC for a while. I guarantee he will come back a changed man.
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MSG (Join to see)
I wish they still had this on many days...but no it was removed from the army prior to 1990
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Dismiss the platoon and have the E-2 stand fast along with his NCO/Team Leader whoever is next in this turd's chain of command. Ensure that this NCO/Team Leader fully understands what he expects from junior leaders who have others in their wing who under their guidance. Zero tolerance for disobeying a lawful order and that if it occurs again the E2 will pay the piper and understands if he doesn't like the military that his/her disobedience to appropriate and lawful orders is a quick way to leave it with BCD, Dishonorable Discharge. With that paper comes the loss of educational benefits and others (VA loans to buy a house) just to name a few. Also to this E2's immediate superior that perhaps he/she needs to rethink their leadership skills in dealing with this E2 and that you are always their for guidance. Don't give on the guy, but also don't let him buck appropriate authority either. This E2 is not there just to collect a paycheck on the duties he wants to fulfill.
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I would simply ask said individual the following question: "Think about what you are going to say before you respond. Are you refusing to follow a lawful order?" If said individual says 'yes' then I simply write him up and send his/her sorry butt to Captains Mast for insubordination and failure to follow a lawful order. End of story and with no need to get upset. If said individual replies 'no' and complies with the order. No problem, after the task is satisfactorily completed I then would council him/her so that the incident is documented for appraisal purposes and to also inform the division officer of the incident. Either way the individual will get corrective action and will understand that that kind of behavior will not be tolerated for one instant. If it ever occurs again there would be no second chance...write him/her up. Discipline at sea is a must. Lives are at stake 24 hrs. a day. Sailors must learn to follow orders, like it or not. The Navy doesn't want someone to blindly follow orders either. If the individual deems the order unsafe or unlawful they should then request to talk to the division officer for clarification.
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I was an NCO for 18 of my 21 years in the service. I always followed the "praise in public, criticize in private" rule. While there is a need to assert my authority, it never went any further than saying loudly enough for those in the immediate area to hear, "I'll see you in my office as soon as you are dismissed here."
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Out comes the knife hand while I explain assertively that they will in fact perform the task.
If that is ineffective, I will have a new E-1 in my squad.
If that is ineffective, I will have a new E-1 in my squad.
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