Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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i'd give him one more chance to change his thinking before i put him down for disobeying a senior nco
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Not sure where this is going. This is a picture if a DI at a Marine Corps Recruit Training (boot camp). Chances are quite slim this is an E2 (PFC). While I made meritorious PFC during boot camp, its pretty uncommon. Also, an E5 is an E5 (SGT based on this picture). Perhaps you should just pose a question without a picture.
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How did he decide that his opinion supersedes his superiors? What did he do to earn that position?
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SN Jay Perry
USN vet so the worst place you could send someone who back talks PO's (NCO's) is the brig to let the USMC adjust his attitude. Had one individual who was just ESCORTED to the brig and got a chance for a verbal intercourse with Gunny who ran the brig at 32nd street. He was a changed sailor in an hour!
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Wouldn't even happen in the Corps, at least not when I served. That young PFC would be a former PFC standing tall at Office Hours, maybe a bit of brig time to help with the attitude adjustment.
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I'd ask another NCO to be a witness, then I'd explain the consequences for being insubordinate and give the E2 the direct order for the third time. If the E2 again refused to do as ordered I'd ask my witness to find the Plt Sgt. I'd explain to situation to the Plt. Sgt. and ask him to repeat the order to the E2. If the E2 again refused to do as ordered my inclination would be to escort him/her to the orderly room with the witness & the Plt. Sgt. and begin the process for punishment. I don't care why he was insubordinate such behavior is unacceptable and detrimental to the discipline and cohesiveness of the unit.
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As it is a custom to be nice and ask questions. In today's sad, no respect and my arm hurts Army. We have lost the ability to do justice, when a subordinate mouths off. It should have been handled in the beginning, the pvt tells his higher up about the situation. Not the pvt getting mouthy, that would never even happened with REAL SOLDIERS. Today's army is just warriors (weak and not understanding what the uniform really means). Ask a Vietnam or Korean war veteran what the uniform means. Guess I was beat down too many times as a PFC.
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First, I'd take his team leader and him into a private room so no other joes can see. Next, I'd have a discussion with both about the joe's attitude. If the team leader says he'll take care of it from now on, I'll let him or her deal with the issue. If the joe wants to keep acting up, then he'll receive negative counselings while doing corrective training and extra duty. I'd make sure he'd never get promoted after E-3 until he understood his attitude and behavior isn't that of a future NCO.
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