Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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I witnessed an incident between an E5 Squad Leader and a Pvt E2. E2 had a terrible attitude and one morning refused to listen to the E5. After a few minutes, the E5 snapped and grabbed the Pvt by the collar. Those close by felt no sympathy for the Private. There was a JAG investigation and to a man, no one saw a thing.
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Insubordination at any level should be dealt with immediately. Though new precedent looks to be happening in real time on full public display by a Secretary and a Admiral.
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After the remark is made ,oh ok you stand right there once formation has been released.
This soldier would be my shadow until I got tired of it three weeks a month two months what ever it took.
I would give it 2/3 weeks never Speaking a word of what they did but now permanently reassigned to me and my duties until further notice. When I was ready we would have a conversation about what had a occurred that morning.
Look they do not want to follow you around all day having them report to you. It's the last thing they want it obvious they have an issue with you or authority or something they have just broken the secret understanding do what I order you to do without hesitation. If they can not follow well you get the drift.
I would give it a few good weeks and then sit with them and get to the bottom of why they thought that was a good maneuver that morning. I am sure by now they wished they didn't even know how to talk that morning.
They would be so ready to get back to a normal duty day without you attached to it.
I would still have them with me for an extended time even after I felt we had corrected this issue, All meals extra duty , extra PT.
I would be right there all day everyday until I was sure this was fixed and once we both now back to a normal duty day I can see what we have done together.
Hopefully for my effort I have made a better soldier a better person maybe even now they know they are worth the effort that is the job of a NCO .
You can punish any time A15 all day long it does not solve a thing and should be your very very last resort with a E3 and below.
But getting someone to look at the days duties as a privilege is what your after. It's called Service and that means sometimes helping those who volunteer find their way and sometimes that requires something different than an antiquated punishment system that is thrown down way to soon and often if you make it to SGT do your job.
Everyone has a Pen !
This soldier would be my shadow until I got tired of it three weeks a month two months what ever it took.
I would give it 2/3 weeks never Speaking a word of what they did but now permanently reassigned to me and my duties until further notice. When I was ready we would have a conversation about what had a occurred that morning.
Look they do not want to follow you around all day having them report to you. It's the last thing they want it obvious they have an issue with you or authority or something they have just broken the secret understanding do what I order you to do without hesitation. If they can not follow well you get the drift.
I would give it a few good weeks and then sit with them and get to the bottom of why they thought that was a good maneuver that morning. I am sure by now they wished they didn't even know how to talk that morning.
They would be so ready to get back to a normal duty day without you attached to it.
I would still have them with me for an extended time even after I felt we had corrected this issue, All meals extra duty , extra PT.
I would be right there all day everyday until I was sure this was fixed and once we both now back to a normal duty day I can see what we have done together.
Hopefully for my effort I have made a better soldier a better person maybe even now they know they are worth the effort that is the job of a NCO .
You can punish any time A15 all day long it does not solve a thing and should be your very very last resort with a E3 and below.
But getting someone to look at the days duties as a privilege is what your after. It's called Service and that means sometimes helping those who volunteer find their way and sometimes that requires something different than an antiquated punishment system that is thrown down way to soon and often if you make it to SGT do your job.
Everyone has a Pen !
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As a former platoon sergeant of many years I would have slugged a son of a bitch in the stomach if it can't take that shouldn't be there
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I think you mean PVT (E1) Smart Mouth who will find himself short 7 days pay at the end of the month and very busy after normal duty hours for the next 14 days. If there was something going on that I was unaware of my 1SG will let me know so "WE" can get him whatever assistance needed while he serves his punishment. But those junior leaders represent me and they will not be disrespected.
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You make them into an E-1 with your commander’s help... that should do the trick.
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This is a situation that demands low fragmentation damage. PLT SGT." SQD LDR remove the PVT from the formation and escort him to the Orderly Room I will be right behind you." Pass out the rest of the jobs and information. Move to the Orderly Room. Discuss it with SQD LDR and Soldier, tell both what you think should be done for the violation My recommendation would be UCMJ, Ask the SQD LDR what their Recommendations are, Move forward to paperwork if needed. (Counseling as a minimum) Never have this kind of chat without counseling Paper work good or bad. Go Back to work. If you made it through BCT. You know better than that type of conduct. Just my thoughts.
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LMAO...…"Corner Patrol". A friend of mine used this with some of his more "stubborn" cases. He would place the offender in a corner, facing inward. Their choices were to watch the corner or report to the Master At Arms. No movement or talking They were not required to stand at attention, but they were to remain standing. He would place a sign next to them with the words, "For information regarding this individual contact ********** Do not speak to or approach." He would simply tell them "When you're ready to act like a useful person, let me know." He would walk by once an hour and ask them if they were ready yet. It seldom took very long. Only one time did an Officer ever inquire about it. After that they were very careful to "Not see" the few times he used this approach.
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