Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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Assign duty to soldier and have him report for counseling make sure he understands that behavior want be tolerated.
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Knocking him on his ass and a few days of KP. D&C till the cows come home. Swipe his stress card down the crack of his ass and ask for change back.
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IN 68 AT FT.JACKSON A GI COMPLAINED BEHIND ME THE DI THOUGHT IT WAS ME I WAS TOLD TO TENDER THE COAL FURNACE FOR THE NIGHT I TRIED TO TELL THE DI BUT HE HAD MADE UP HIS MIND. SO HE CAME LATER WITH ABOUT 4 OTHERS AND THEY TOLD ME HOW WRONG I WAS SO AFTER WE SHOVELED THE ASHES(HIS WORDS) I LEARNED NOT TO QUESTION JUST FOLLOW ORDERS.EVEN THO I WHIPPED 3 OF THEM THEY THEN BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF ME NO E2 WITH ANY SINCE WOULD CHALLENGE THE E5.IN THE END HIS SQUAD PAYED THE PRICE ALSO BY THE WAY I BEAT THE PISS OUT OF THE DUMB ASS MAMA,S BOY
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I’d light him up ya it’s in formation but you better nip this in the bud. If not who’s next. You gave him a task he is qualified to do then do it. If not report to my office with your supervisor right after this and have him explain but in the end it’s his JOB!! You aren’t tasking him with something all of the other troops have to do. Also the disrespect is a no I don’t think so and put a boot in his ASS
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Even as an "Rent a crow" E-4, I didn't put up with it, nor will I put up with it today as a veteran/civilian. My first response would be a raised eyebrow and a "Would you like to reconsider that decision there Seaman Apprentice, or would you and I like to go see our Work-center boss (Lead E-5 or E-6) about that after we're done here?" If he continues, we see the lead PO on the project and work our way up the chain, hopefully never getting beyond the Lead PO1 in the division (and I've seen more than a few that could blanch people with a glare). Hopefully that fixes it and we don't have to get the Chief or Senior Chief involved.
If he continues, then I get with my fellow E-4+ and we develop an "improvement plan" for him. Back in the early 80's, Blanket parties were not approved, but still happened, and no one involved talked about it ever. And he gets sent up the chain for further and official "action".
I make it very clear that "I'm not your buddy, I'm in charge/the lead here and I won't ask you to do anything that I wouldn't do (and most of the time I'm right along side of them doing it too). "
If he continues, then I get with my fellow E-4+ and we develop an "improvement plan" for him. Back in the early 80's, Blanket parties were not approved, but still happened, and no one involved talked about it ever. And he gets sent up the chain for further and official "action".
I make it very clear that "I'm not your buddy, I'm in charge/the lead here and I won't ask you to do anything that I wouldn't do (and most of the time I'm right along side of them doing it too). "
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I would give the soldier a chance to reconsider his answer and carry out the directive, while also letting him know that we would have a conversation about this before the end of the duty day to rectify his attitude. If the soldier was still non-compliant I would have the next senior NCO or soldier take charge of the formation and lead the soldier directly to the 1SG's office and we would initiate an Article 15. Do they still have CCF at major installations. CCF did wonders in correcting attitudes.
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Demand he ends it now and then write it up and apply corrective training. If he continues write it up and demand UCMJ action!
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Pull the individual aside, give ONE and ONLY one chance to comply. If he refuses, IMMEDIATE proceedings for Article 15 action. In addition I would question his immediate supervisor as to why this individual would consider this behavior acceptable and if this is not the first time, what actions he has taken (Letter of Counseling, Letter of Reprimand) to correct the issue. I might also investigate the immediate supervisors leadership abilities (are there other instances with other troops) he/she may need to be replaced.
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