Posted on Jun 12, 2019
I am being told to go to PT by the command on only 4-5 hours of sleep. As a junior enlisted, how do I solve this problem?
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
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I’m a retired Navy Command Fitness Leader. The Navy instruction allows PT during working hours, so why not let you do the 1600 PT? Maybe it is different in the Army, they aren’t too smart, especially in the leadership department. I hear all the stories of toxic leadership and favoritism, it’s sad really. If you’re not deployed, there’s no reason for them to act like they are under fire in Afghanistan. Take care of your people and they will take care of you.
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I have read a bunch of "you don't have what it takes..." and "wah, stop your crying, you pussy" posts, and I have to call bullshit on that. From what I'm getting you are doing what you are told, but are asking for advice on how better to handle this situation and if there is anything you can do to make it better. Albeit that you know you have to suck it up and do it no matter what, I give you kudos for reaching out to find out if any of us old salts might have a better way or at least give advice on how to handle it. I am sorry to say that most of us "old salts" are simply older versions of your 1SG and can't see past our noses on how you might improve your situation or make it better for your juniors. Used to be that "old salts" could give sage advice without condescension. We are of the Father Knows Best era, too. We "old salts" should look deep into ourselves and see if we are just regurgitating what we heard back in the day or if we really are trying to be valuable to those who have taken up our mantle and want to give good, honest advice like we might have appreciated in our time. Most of us didn't have a forum where we could ask a host of retired and active mentors a question. If we were lucky we might meet a guy in a bar who might answer a few questions. This is really a good forum and something I wish I'd had back in the day. Hope everything turned out for the best.
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Your authorized 4 hours of sleep. Go back read ucmj and do your job. You can sleep when you decide to not re up
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is there a reason why you cant get some sleep after PT? That would be a large block of time to sleep in.
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PO2 Joseph Fast
Imagine a 0745-1700 work day. 1sgt singles you out and says "you will drive into work and be here by 0030 so you can PT supervised at 0100. No, before your shift starts or after your shift ends, doesn't count. Only the 0100 time frame works."
Yes, she could have, but does it really make sense to drive into work at 0030, just to PT, turn back around, go home, go back to bed, and drive back into work using twice as much fuel? Imo, no. An easy solution is to let her PT before or after her shift.
Now I know the above wouldn't happen, but when it comes to night shift workers, most day people forget how that stuff works. It blows. Prolonged stints hurt too, especially since command tends to forget you're asleep and off work and make you show up for.... well pointless ceremonies and functions that honestly would have been fine without you (I spent too much time on night shift when I was in).
Yes, she could have, but does it really make sense to drive into work at 0030, just to PT, turn back around, go home, go back to bed, and drive back into work using twice as much fuel? Imo, no. An easy solution is to let her PT before or after her shift.
Now I know the above wouldn't happen, but when it comes to night shift workers, most day people forget how that stuff works. It blows. Prolonged stints hurt too, especially since command tends to forget you're asleep and off work and make you show up for.... well pointless ceremonies and functions that honestly would have been fine without you (I spent too much time on night shift when I was in).
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One word ...SOLDIER and I also remember getting no sleep and pulling through just fine and maybe just maybe this is not the career for you ijs
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That was the norm when I was in. I got more sleep in the Navy on many nights than most of my nights since being on call all the time. I think it made me more ready to work in the hospital field.
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Don't go and then file a complaint against him when he yells at you..Isn't that how the pussies in there do it now days in the "New Army"?
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Suck it up cupcake. When I was in 'Nam there was one time were in constant contact for 88 days straight, and MAYBE got 2-3 hrs rest. If you can't do PT after 4-5 hrs of sleep, maybe you should be in the air force.
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