Posted on Jun 12, 2019
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.

However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.

I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.

As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.

How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
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SFC Michael D.
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I can remember coming home from a club just in time to change into PT uniform and go to PT. We held each other up and maybe one or two puked but we made it through. If you can't work on only four to five hours of sleep, you may want to pick up a new career. If you get deployed you will get less sleep than that. Plus you have two different time to go. I believe command is being very accommodating. You may need to do some time management.
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CPL Jason Northedge
CPL Jason Northedge
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Amen to everything you said brother. Story: drinking at every club in the ville getting into fight getting hand split open sowing my own hand up and taking a shower just in time to go to pt. Running 5 miles.
Gotta rely on your brothers n sisters to get through tough ones.
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SrA Michele Burgman
SrA Michele Burgman
3 mo
Dumbest response on here. I did that once when I was still a trainee and I was a complete zombie for my shift. Thankfully, I was still a trainee because operating satellites on no sleep is just plain stupid and careless and you are putting the mission at risk. The poster says that she works in a medical facility. I know that I wouldn't want someone in a medical facility tending to me with very little sleep.
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SFC David S
SFC David S
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pick up a new career and quit whining.
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MAJ David Stokes
MAJ David Stokes
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You can be mopping the floors in a hospital, doesn't make you a doctor.
"one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. " THAT IS A SELF -INFLICTED WOUND!
When soldiers are no longer adults, they are treated like children.
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SGT Retired
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FM 6-22.5 and FM 22-51 Are good reference points to start.

However, I’d ask, how are you only getting 4-5 hours sleep? If you work 1600-0000, and now the 1SG makes a 0530 PT sesh mandatory, there’s plenty of time for sleep. It seems as though you have a time management issue with a now inconvenient PT formation.

Alter your pattern to adjust working the night shift. For example.
1430: wake up, personal hygiene
1500: first meal
1600: work starts
0000: work ends
0000-0530: personal time (to include naps if you want)
0530-0730: PT
0730-0830: last meal, personal hygiene
0830-1430: sleep

I get it. It sucks. It might not be the best leadership decision, but it’s not an illegal leadership decision. However professional your approach might be, the most effective approach (for everyone) is to just show up, sound off like Forrest Gump in basic training, and after the 1SG feels like his point has been made, things will go back to normal.

Best of luck
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SGT Retired
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SSgt Jeanne Wallace - “ but it seemed you were saying Air Crew rest did not apply to army”

You’re going to need to show me where I even remotely stated that. 100% incorrect.
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SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
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SSgt Jeanne Wallace - Again, the shift NCOIC could very well be conducting PT for the shift. Again, it is done all over the army for aviation night shifters and phase inspection workers. I'm sure it can be done for a medical unit with Lab Techs.
Never said anything about this particular soldier not doing PT, I did say however that as long as PT is done daily, the time can be shifted. At one point in 4th ID, the CG and CSM had the heretical idea of conducting PT at the end of the day. Work call for everyone at 0900. PT at 1630-1700 and home by 1800-1830.
What we are talking about here is the intent of a particular 1SG being a hard@ss trying to make a point.
There is a difference.
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SSgt Jeanne Wallace
SSgt Jeanne Wallace
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Cpl Brian Sands - you are quoteing AF regs..what do army regs have to say about crew rest?
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Jeanne, are you ok? I haven’t quoted any Air Force regs. If you disagree, please feel free to show where or how I did.
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CW3 Kevin Storm
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Some of you are going to have your ego hurt by what I am writing, but read this this all the way through and think long and hard on this before you hit that dislike/vote down button.

I have read some of the most bizarre, asinine, dare I say fool hardy comments, I have ever seen on Rally Point on this thread. Leaders, get a fracking clue, we are talking about soldiers who work in hospitals, not CQ, not Duty NCO, but soldiers who are treating YOUR soldiers! Would you want a civilian hospital to do the same thing as your loved one is laying in the ICU, NICU, or ER? How would you feel if you knew the staff only got 4-5 hours of sleep for weeks to months on end, and now your child is in their care? Feel good about yourself now? Feel like this is the way it should be for those who work these shifts? Feel like their soldier who got medevacked in deserves the best care we can give them, or some sub-standard level of care because we need to have full PT formations?

If you have never worked in health care, never had to work second or third shifts for prolonged time periods, had to work a person dying in front of you, well I got news for you: you haven't a clue! Ever watch a cardiac monitor for hours on end, try doing that in a sleep deprived environment, see how well you work out, or how well you like telling the survivors that their loved one passed away last night. With all the shortages in medical staff in the civilian world you don't think this kid is going to walk when his/her time is up? This is a case of Ego's, not leadership, or a lack of it. " I need to see a big unit in front of me." Hey Top, you run a hospital, that kid in ICU with the traumatic brain injury is far more important then your sniveling PT formation. That Kid in ICU is some ones loved one, if your second and third shift people are passing their PT tests lay off, or you will lose them, and won't be able to replace them, then you have bigger problems.
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MAJ Karen Wall
MAJ Karen Wall
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Hey Chief! How ya doin'???
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SPC David C.
SPC David C.
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Unless I just completely missed something, dude works a 1600 - 0000 shift. We're not talking a 24 or even 12 hour shift...it's EIGHT HOURS for crying out loud. As a civilian EMT I would LOVE that kind of shift work. And then he gets 4 1/2 hours of rest before an hour or so of PT? If he knows far enough in advance he's going to get up early for PT to ask for ways out of it on this website, then I suggest he mentally prepare for it and get it done. Make the argument after the fact why he doesn't agree with it. Seriously, do you even hear yourself? Civilian hospital staff work longer hours than that and deal with a hell of a lot more than military hospitals do on the daily.
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CW3 Kevin Storm
CW3 Kevin Storm
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MAJ Karen Wall - Ma'am doing great. How is life treating you now a days?
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SFC Carl Zawadski
SFC Carl Zawadski
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What a waste of time if you don't like the schedule get the hell out and quit crying you only need 4 hours sleep I've been out since 96 retired and still get on average 4to5 hours a night so boo hoo
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