Posted on Jun 12, 2019
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.

However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.

I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.

As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.

How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
Edited 6 y ago
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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Are you kidding? I had to get out of bed, put on my flight suit and go fly. No breakfast, no clothes just hoping we had coffee on the airplane. Where in the hell were we going? Florida, That's where. CUBAN CRISIS. The life of a TANKER crew. The life of a military man is NOT a piece of cake. That is why--and how we EARN our benefits.
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CW3 Dan Mackey
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This is just my two cents worth. I don't know if you are in combat arms and this may only really apply if you are.
It is important to be able to fight at full speed thru any level of tired in combat and training when tired is the only way to build up that skill.

Suck it up and go train! Then are no timeouts in combat! Your in the army now rest is to be taken whenever you can find it and fight thru the fatigue and still preform!

If you are not in combat arms you may live by a different standard and then I am sorry and have no reference to help you. Sorry
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SSG Harry Herres
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Sorry for your lack of sleep. I worked 12 hour shifts , came back to my base camp, ate some C-rations and pulled Sgt of the guard for another 8 hr. Then another 8 hr shift then 6 hr of sleep. I humped the bush for 8 hr. Then worked 2 hour shifts on and off for 10 more hours then humped 8 hr then 2 hr shift for 2 weeks. Grow up to what you signed up for. Sorry been there done that!
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SGT M C
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You suck it up. Went to the 7th Army NCO academy in Bad Tolz Germany for 28 days Training 1966. UP at 4 AM. bed by 12 or 1 PM. after all your studies and duties. Complete and utter craziness. Hallways floor was not walked on except along a small tile border as it was literally spit polished with Kiwi black shoe polish. That tells you the purposeful sort of harassments and nonsense that one had to endure in order to graduate and not go back to your unit having "Gigged" out. You'll survive you are young and like most things it will most likely pass.
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PFC Matt Ochmanski
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Suck it up buttercup, as an MP that worked 19:00-07:00. Before shift meet at the PMO and do PT in a group. During shift I picked up a shit storm. At 13:00 I finished the paperwork and all the tickets and log. At 17:00 was PT. I was asked if I would be there? I ask do I have a choice? The SGT advised that the question was a trick question. So in bed by 14:00, up at 16:00, PT 17:00-18:00, 18:30 shower at the PMO and on shift 19:00 with a smile. Suck it up. You fight as you train and you should be training to fight!
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SPC Halle Henderson
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Up and at em...this is what you signed up for
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Col Ian O'Connell
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Edited 4 y ago
It's hard to read all the "suck it up" comments. It's absolutely true a deployment or emergency requires military members to do all sorts of things out of the ordinary, including catching only a few minutes sleep when it's available. However, that should not be the norm for a unit that is not deployed. Unit leadership should be about taking care of the mission and the personnel. It isn't rocket science to understand that taking care of your personnel is how your mission succeeds. Regularly expecting your personnel to show up for any mandatory event with 4-5 hours of sleep is a great way to 1) have an accident or fatality due to fatigue 2) have a medical error that causes a code in the hospital 3) develop a retention problem as your personnel realize good leaders don't screw with their personnel this way unless it's an emergency. It's great that the unit has two PT sessions scheduled that are convenient for folks on day shift. Why not add a couple more to take care of the folks on the other two shifts? "Just because it's always been done that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid."
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SSG David McPherson
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If your situation is due to mission requirements then get with your NCO’s and figure out a PT plan around your mission requirements
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PV2 Joseph Myers
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I forget who originally said this but the more you sweat in training the less you bleed in war
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SPC Paul Davis
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Spc. How can I say this delicately?
Awww screw it.pull up your big boy pants and goto put. If that's the worst thing happening you're good to go. I've done worse with less sleep. I'm pretty sure you went through basic and at one point you didn't get 4-5 hrs sleep in 2-3days. At least I didn't back in 88. The ARMY has changed. Getting soft.
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Cpl Mike Strohecker
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THat's pretty much what I was trying to say. I honestly thought this was a trigger to get military folks going crazy.
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