Posted on Jun 12, 2019
I am being told to go to PT by the command on only 4-5 hours of sleep. As a junior enlisted, how do I solve this problem?
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
Edited 6 y ago
Posted 6 y ago
Responses: 1688
Honestly just do it. We've all had to do more on less sleep. Sometimes missions were requiredwith less than 2 hrs of sleep with the mission being 24 hrs. Quit being a whiny ass and just deal with it. It's a bit of pt. Waaaah
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You would not make it as a Navy Hospital Corpsman with the Marines. Seriously!
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Man I miss the good old days! Are you really trying to tell us you aren’t tough enough to be a medical laboratory specialist? You can survive this. If there is anything I know about the army is that with patience comes change. Your situation will change.
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PT isn’t mandatory at first formation? I’d say do your PT and then go back to bed, 5 hours is plenty of sleep to get up and do a hour of PT.
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Your First Sergeant isn't an idiot. You will not successfully use regulations to cause a change in this policy because the policy exists to serve the commander's interests. Your Brigade Commander has been embarrassed by the Corps Commander on the issue of PT, and the number of profiles. Your Brigade Commander has reviewed the Companies, and your company is the one getting the attention right now.
There are two things you can do. First you can understand that it will be a temporary policy of no more than 2 weeks to a month.
Secondly, you can communicate this to anyone you supervise, and to the hospital civilian staff as a safety issue that they need to be aware of. Make sure you and your privates, if you have any, make arrangements with spouses/roommates - possibly even the hospital itself - that they go to sleep immediately after their shifts and get another nap before work if you can manage it. You don't want you or one of your soldiers to be the cause of the end of the policy, because it will reveal you as the weakest of the candidate NCO's.
The policy will end one of three ways: 1) The Company improves PT scores/ Profiles / or similar that got the Commander noticed. 2) Someone has a fender bender caused by sleep deprivation. 3) The Commander of the Hospital/ Defense Health raises the issue of patient safety due to sleep deprived soldiers and suggests reduced soldier involvement in the Hospitals.
From Defense Health's perspective soldier Medics are in hospitals purely to keep them trained in medical tasks. Anything that gets their attention as to the safety of that arrangement will go straight to the Four-Star level, guessing where you are that is probably FORSCOM Commander, and will trigger a chain of events that ends the policy for your company.
#1 is the most likely end to the policy. #2 is the next most likely. #3 will require a severe incident that is unlikely because it will take a severe incident to get the Hospital Commander/Defense Health's attention.
There are two things you can do. First you can understand that it will be a temporary policy of no more than 2 weeks to a month.
Secondly, you can communicate this to anyone you supervise, and to the hospital civilian staff as a safety issue that they need to be aware of. Make sure you and your privates, if you have any, make arrangements with spouses/roommates - possibly even the hospital itself - that they go to sleep immediately after their shifts and get another nap before work if you can manage it. You don't want you or one of your soldiers to be the cause of the end of the policy, because it will reveal you as the weakest of the candidate NCO's.
The policy will end one of three ways: 1) The Company improves PT scores/ Profiles / or similar that got the Commander noticed. 2) Someone has a fender bender caused by sleep deprivation. 3) The Commander of the Hospital/ Defense Health raises the issue of patient safety due to sleep deprived soldiers and suggests reduced soldier involvement in the Hospitals.
From Defense Health's perspective soldier Medics are in hospitals purely to keep them trained in medical tasks. Anything that gets their attention as to the safety of that arrangement will go straight to the Four-Star level, guessing where you are that is probably FORSCOM Commander, and will trigger a chain of events that ends the policy for your company.
#1 is the most likely end to the policy. #2 is the next most likely. #3 will require a severe incident that is unlikely because it will take a severe incident to get the Hospital Commander/Defense Health's attention.
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What happened to just following orders? Granted, I joined the military 56 years ago, and some things have changed. The draft is gone and now the military is an all voluntary organization . That doesn't mean orders are voluntary. Just shut the hell up and do what you are ordered to do! As I see it you have two choices, (1) follow orders and when your time is up, leave, or (2) make rank and change what you do not like. If you can't follow a simple order in a safe environment, what are going to do in a combat situation? Hesitate, refuse, open up a dialogue? You need to learn self discipline. Orders are given for reasons such as character, confidence, health and body building and teaching discipline. At times, in ones career, an order can be way out of line and going over ones supervisor to his boss to correct the problem is the correct way to handle the problem. Unless it is life threatening, obey the order. Just my two cents worth from old man. Stay safe.
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This thread is an oldie, but a goodie. And these comments are awesome. Every so often I wonder if I made the right choice in getting out after my first term (with an extra year tacked on for funsies). These comments remove all doubt that I made the right decision.
I deployed for half of my 5 years. Did the 36 hours straight due to combat necessity (and I was a pogue). Did 12 on 12 “offs” for months on end. That wasn’t actually the part that bothered me. What bothered me was the garrison army mentality prior to Iraq kicking off. As a lower enlisted with a bunch of non-deployed NCO’s and O’s who just had to make things harder than they needed to be.
Luckily it got a bit better after everyone had a tour or two under their belts. After that first 16 month deployment the good leaders realized that yes, you need to get your job and your training done. But damn, once that’s done, go enjoy your life a bit. Spend time with your family if you have one. Maybe with that kid who you missed a whole bunch of firsts with. Or a 3 year old who really has no memory of you in person.
Train hard, but play/rest hard too. Because those deployments are long, and there’s a whole lot of suck during them.
Or just come in right in the middle of your “off time” for some PT.
PS - Army PT sucked anyway. I’ve been in way better shape and physically trained way more effectively the 15 years that I’ve been out than I ever did while in.
I deployed for half of my 5 years. Did the 36 hours straight due to combat necessity (and I was a pogue). Did 12 on 12 “offs” for months on end. That wasn’t actually the part that bothered me. What bothered me was the garrison army mentality prior to Iraq kicking off. As a lower enlisted with a bunch of non-deployed NCO’s and O’s who just had to make things harder than they needed to be.
Luckily it got a bit better after everyone had a tour or two under their belts. After that first 16 month deployment the good leaders realized that yes, you need to get your job and your training done. But damn, once that’s done, go enjoy your life a bit. Spend time with your family if you have one. Maybe with that kid who you missed a whole bunch of firsts with. Or a 3 year old who really has no memory of you in person.
Train hard, but play/rest hard too. Because those deployments are long, and there’s a whole lot of suck during them.
Or just come in right in the middle of your “off time” for some PT.
PS - Army PT sucked anyway. I’ve been in way better shape and physically trained way more effectively the 15 years that I’ve been out than I ever did while in.
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You be at PT when told to do so. And YES you are whining. Suck it up buttercup!
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