Posted on Jun 12, 2019
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.

However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.

I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.

As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.

How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
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SFC Drill Sergeant
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Ask a Drill Seegeant how they do it every day for cycles on end. We go to bed somewhere around 2230-2330 and get up at 0330 and do it all again and again! You get done with PT and you can catch naps before your 1600-0000 shift. Yeah it sucks but it won't be that way forever. Also don't forget you have a section leader you can always gather a group who feels the same as you and bring it to their attention in a non complaint associated way and say hey we'd really like to do pt at say 0930 as a section, as long as the section does pt the 1sg ahouldnt see it as an issue. People who bring a solution with their problem get better results!
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PO1 James Lusk
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I served onboard an aircraft carrier in the 1980s. The ship was commissioned in 1965. I was an electrician and worked in the engineering spaces (boiler / main engine rooms). It was a hot/tough/loud environment - especially in warm water operational areas. My underway scheduled was a 12 hour workday along with two 4 hour watch rotations on a turbine generator. Out of the bunk at 6. Muster at 7. Seven days a week for at least 45 days with a brief stop in an overseas port. Sometimes 90 days between port stops. One watch would fall during the workday. The second would either be midnight to four or four to eight in the morning. Throw in general quarters drlls and training exercises there would be little time to sleep. Engineeering drills at night in between flight ops. The machinist mates and boiler techs were on a 6 hour watch rotation. The guys on the flight deck would work very long hours during launch evolutions.

In the end, you do what you have to do and look back at it with pride for doing your job.
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MCPO Richard Velte
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Most Commands I've been in (Navy), we had Command PT, Division PT, remedial PT, self PT, and PT by shift. All PT was dependent on uptempo. Medical did their own thing for most aspects (PT, Duty, leave...) If you simply have sleep issues then you need to address that with your Chain. If it's a shift issue then maybe propose shift PT where you work out after or before shift. BUT if you present your issue as you have here....I'd feel as though it would fall on deaf ears. Present a solution to your problem to the Chain, this way its not directly seen as a whine of someone looking to get out of something. PT is a mandatory part of service to maintain one's body & mind.
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Cpl George Matousek
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In Vietnam I averaged 3 hours a night. Semper Fi
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SSG Thomas Fuller
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You get to soldier up and go to PT with your company. Organizational PT isn’t just about doing PT, it’s about socializing with your fellow soldiers, training together, knowing everyones’ abilities, knowing you all trained together and building esprit d’corps. Later on maybe the chain of command will make a late PT time to accommodate second and third shifters. You will attend PT.
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MSG Debby ODonnell
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Amidst the chaos of war, getting enough sleep may seem like a luxury. However, it is important to remember that war does not pause or slow down based on how much rest you have had. It is why maintaining physical fitness through regular PT (physical training) is crucial for soldiers. By staying healthy and fit, soldiers are better equipped to handle the demands of combat and are more likely to come out unscathed. Ultimately, being in good shape is not just about personal well-being but also about being able to help others stay alive.
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MSG Debby ODonnell
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Also, in order to safeguard the hard-earned freedoms that our veterans, both past and present, have valiantly fought for, it is crucial always to remain prepared. Similar to how one must maintain physical fitness, being prepared ensures that we honor their sacrifices by upholding the values they stood for.
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PFC Jeffrey Villarreal
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i suggest you leave the military move to ca and live with the other woke gen z cry babies
as a ex 1st 75th c co wpns plt ranger we did pt when ever we were told complaining was not a option and it keep us alive later ...lol we never got 4/5 hours of sleep anyway unless on r&r
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PFC Jeffrey Villarreal
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sorry about the spelling kept lol
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SSG John J Accornero
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Go
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SSG Michael Baney
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Do what you are told you lazy slug
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SPC Johnny Brown
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I was an infantryman in the 90's. During my entire enlistment 12 hours on and 12 hours off was considered an easy day. We did PT every duty day without a second thought. This was normal. My day started at 0500 with first call. Between 0500 and 0600 I was expected to get dressed for PT and clean (sweep, mop, scrub floors, etc) the common area assigned to me and my room. 0600 was first formation, but you should always be at formation 15 minutes before hand or you are late. If we were not in the field we would typically get off at 1700, but not always. It could be 1800 or 2000 or whatever depending. These were the easy days. When we were in the field which was half the time we were lucky if we had 4 hours of consistent sleep. In fact that was rare. It was far more common to get 2 hours of sleep, wake up for an hour of guard duty then get 2 more hours of sleep before continuing the mission. Time in the field was usually a minimum of 3 days and sometimes went on for up to 4 weeks. I am 49 years old and a civilian now. I still only get about 5 hours of sleep most days. I am always tired, but I suck it up and drive on like I learned in the US Army. The army is a fighting force that needs to be ready for war at all times. Could the 1st Sgt be more accommodating on the hours for soldiers that work odd hours? Perhaps, but keep in mind that the enemy (Russian soldiers, Chinese soldiers, Middle Eastern terrorists, etc) will not be. A lot of things we do in the armed forces suck. I completed a 33 mile road march in the mountains of Alaska in the winter after receiving 4 hours of sleep over the course of 3 days. That sucked, but I did it. I know it sounds like the proverbial "I walked through the snow up hill both ways to go to school," but it is a true story and many others did the same along side of me. Soldier, I know this sucks at the moment, but suck it up and drive on, and years from now you can take pride that you did things that were hard because they were hard.
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