Posted on Aug 30, 2015
I am coming close to my ETS and I have no idea if I want to stay in or get out. For those who have ETS'd how is it?
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I am coming close to my ETS and I have no idea if I want to stay in or get out. For those who have ETS'd how is it. I know lots of people that miss it. I'm not worried about a job on the outside, it's just when I think about getting out I can't imagine life without the military. I still have a year left so there is plenty of time left. I have just been thinking about this decision for the past year, and I only have a small time frame left to continue to think about it. I would just like input on those who have gotten out.
Posted 10 y ago
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It's a loaded question SSG (Join to see). You sound like me. I couldn't imagine life outside of the military. It was a perfect fit based on how I was raised, and my lack of roots. I loved to move, to start over every few years, and to give 100% at all times to leave our mark before starting all over again. Many people that got out did so out of frustration over the very things that helped us thrive. Some people transition seamlessly, some struggle. I have been out 5 years and spend all my time with you fine service members; safe to say I am still struggling. There is life after the military, however. A little prayer at this stage of the game never hurts. Prayers from Tucson.
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SSG (Join to see)
Thank you very much SFC Mark Merino! See the one thing I don't like, only because I'm married now is moving around. Especially since my step daughter lives in the same state as us now. Thank you for your advice.
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All the responses are good, and I hate to spam you, but I'll throw in my two cents. It's another world, not Mars and Venus, but parallel universe-type different world. They speak English, but the words are different. They watch the same movies and news, but their world-view is askew. They think that the broader world is one way, when you've seen it as another.
When I was in, I was in Intel, our Intel not what they think on the outside, Arabic school, secret-squirrel school, jumping into countries without a passport. When I'd come home on leave, I'd get asked what I thought the biggest threat to the US was, and I'd say this thing called Al-Qaeda, and this guy named Bin Laden, but they'd laugh, and ask about Saddam, our the Russians, and China. That was while I was still in service. I was medically retired, or I'd have stayed in as a lifer.
Whatever is best for you is what you need to plan, and work, towards.
When I was in, I was in Intel, our Intel not what they think on the outside, Arabic school, secret-squirrel school, jumping into countries without a passport. When I'd come home on leave, I'd get asked what I thought the biggest threat to the US was, and I'd say this thing called Al-Qaeda, and this guy named Bin Laden, but they'd laugh, and ask about Saddam, our the Russians, and China. That was while I was still in service. I was medically retired, or I'd have stayed in as a lifer.
Whatever is best for you is what you need to plan, and work, towards.
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SFC Tom Hardges
Like others have stated, it’s a different world, I got out after seven years and struggle trying to adapt, find a job etc, after a month or two I re-enlisted and it felt so good to be back in
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SSG (Join to see), I think Most Vets would tell you they wish they were back in the military, why? Adjusting to civilian life is not lets say easy to get used to the longer you stay in active duty. But LTC David Stender "Have a solid plan" If you come out into the Real World without one it does make things a little more stressful. Unlike in the Green Machine civilians don't have the same mind set as you Meaning: you have to use the please, would you, and thank yous a lot. and in a less of cut and dry sharpness to your voice ( you have to use softness 98% of the time) and you will have to get used to people not doing what you tell them to do because they "don't feel like it" (you will meet some clock punchers) people that don't take their jobs seriously of have pride in what they do. But on the Good side of getting out is "FREEDOM", Better Pay (depending on the career you choose). the transition to civilian isn't easy to adjust to, it has it's goods and bads but that because you have been out of the Civilian Loop for the time you have been in. But Every Vet I meet and talk to wishes they were back in the Machine, even I do. look at the perks medical, dental, a really good retirement package. Do the 20 if you can because if you get out before then you will more then likely be kicking yourself in the ass for getting out.
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LCpl Steve Smith
SSG (Join to see) a couple of questions if you don't mind me asking. How long have you been in already? and how old are you? both Questions are important Factors to consider if you have already been in for 6-8 years and are young, Stick it out get your 20+ yrs in for the full retirement. When you retire you will be getting your retirement pay and you will still be young enough to start a new career in what ever make you happy, without the stress of finances. I joined up when I was 21ys old got out after 4, if I would of stayed in I would have already retired at 41, and I'm 45 right now. so if you made it your 20yrs. you would have plenty of time to figure out where you want to go and what you want to be.
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SSG (Join to see)
I just turned 25, and so far I have been in 5 1/2 yrs. I will be at 6 1/2 at my ETS time.
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LCpl Steve Smith
SSG (Join to see), So that should make you around 30-35 if you were to do a full 20 active duty, See how young you will be if you retire? I'd put that on the pro's side getting full retirement pay, Commissary access for life, V.A. Health Benefits (Was 100% coverage in the 90's) don't know but that could be 100% still Plus Dependent Coverage and still be young enough to have a career, start your own business or just enjoy life. Without stressing about having $0.00 money coming in and HAVING to get a job as soon as you get out.
Cons: If you are no longer enjoying your time in the Army, doing about 14 more yrs. could be daunting. If you get out before your retirement,you will have to find a new source of income as soon as possible (Major Stress-er). Remember The Grass isn't always Greener on the other side of the fence. And with most of us Not All, but most of us look back and wish we would of stayed in and did our 20.
The pros of getting out, FREEDOM!!! lol, There are no more "Have to's" as I like to call it. i.e: If you don't feel like going into work you don't have to, You don't like getting up a 0 Dark 30? you don't have to, you don't like where you are working? you don't have to stay and put up with it. Ex...
Cons: If you are no longer enjoying your time in the Army, doing about 14 more yrs. could be daunting. If you get out before your retirement,you will have to find a new source of income as soon as possible (Major Stress-er). Remember The Grass isn't always Greener on the other side of the fence. And with most of us Not All, but most of us look back and wish we would of stayed in and did our 20.
The pros of getting out, FREEDOM!!! lol, There are no more "Have to's" as I like to call it. i.e: If you don't feel like going into work you don't have to, You don't like getting up a 0 Dark 30? you don't have to, you don't like where you are working? you don't have to stay and put up with it. Ex...
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First off, SSG (Join to see), you could easily get a job as a Police Officer.
Out here- I chose my own careers: photography and being a Soldiers' Angel. (As a Soldiers' Angel, online, I take care of Active Duty troops and Veterans.)
You could start your own business....as you are very intelligent and you work hard.
I can't tell you that civilian life is easy; because it's not. You have to buy/rent a place to stay (Pay for gas, electricity, water, etc.), find a job, buy food, buy toiletries, have a way to get around (such as a car, taxis, busses; etc.), make new friends, etc. And ASK FOR HELP. I would start off with those; if I were you. And things Should start to fall into place. A lot of things in life are automatic.
I've done my Godly best to help you; however, I may have missed thing(s).
Many prayers and good luck to you; Miranda.
-In Him, Margaret
Out here- I chose my own careers: photography and being a Soldiers' Angel. (As a Soldiers' Angel, online, I take care of Active Duty troops and Veterans.)
You could start your own business....as you are very intelligent and you work hard.
I can't tell you that civilian life is easy; because it's not. You have to buy/rent a place to stay (Pay for gas, electricity, water, etc.), find a job, buy food, buy toiletries, have a way to get around (such as a car, taxis, busses; etc.), make new friends, etc. And ASK FOR HELP. I would start off with those; if I were you. And things Should start to fall into place. A lot of things in life are automatic.
I've done my Godly best to help you; however, I may have missed thing(s).
Many prayers and good luck to you; Miranda.
-In Him, Margaret
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SSG (Join to see)
Thank you SPC Margaret Higgins. I know I can be a police officer but that is not what I want to do. That is why this choice is being thought out very well, because I don't want to do that in the civilian world.
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Believe it or not, there IS LIFE after the militay....LOL. I missed it. What I missed was the friends I made. I did NOT miss the service in of itself. I missed the men/women I served with. It's a personal decision to ETS; it was for me anyway. The thing you will miss is NOT the military, but those who make up the military; the men/women who wear the same uniform. But, there is life after the service. It took me sev eral years to adjust (I had been in for over a decade-my entire adult life up to that point). But, I assessed how my career was going, the outlook as time went on and what I was gonna do. You will, at some ETS. Everyone does. Assess your life plans. It's usually best to start on those plans earlier than later. I got out, went to college, completed my degree. In hindsight, I should have gotten out several years before I did. However, I do have some great memories of those I served with. Unless you just want to stay, my advice, move on with your life. There is life after the service. And you will find, it's NOT the service branch you will miss, it's the other folks who wear the uniform that you'll miss.
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SSG (Join to see)
I really appreciate your comment! When I think about getting out, that is the one thing I think about every time, the friends, the bonds I have made with my peers. I also look at the experiences I have had, I love deploying. I hate doing it now since I'm married, but I love seeing new places and the stuff my job allows me to do in those places. Deploying is that love hate relationship. I also like the structure there is. One of the things I try to keep in mind while making this decision is the worst case if I miss it I can't go back in because they won't take me for whatever reason. Everyone keeps mentioning options for possibility to come back, which are helpful as well, but once I leave I would like to stay gone lol.
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SSG Timothy Miller
Yep. I agree; it was the same for me; once gone, I'm gone. I did NOT have to serve the Individual Ready Reserve because I spent a lot of time on active duty. I'm in the medical field (after I ETS'd, I went to college and earned degree and took National Board exam); during times of crisis/war, the military has a huge appetite for 'male' RN's. I was approached several times to go back to active duty. But, I had decided to ETS and with that, hang-up my uniform; permanently. I have NO REGRETS doing so. What I miss the most is the people I served with; you have common ground wearing the uniform even though you may not know them personally. I miss the travel and excitement that goes with it. Meeting new peeps on other continents and experiencing how other cultures live. That sums it up. While I have loyalty to the service branch I served; it is not the branch I miss. It's the peeps I served with because our common thread was service to our country. The travel I miss. And that's it. When you marry and start a family; it IS very difficult to have to leave your family. I also found that I should have moved on years before I did. Put family first; that will help your decision making process and you'll NEVER have any regrets putting family first, especially if children are involved.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Is refreshing to see someone that doesnt regret leaving. I totally agree with you.
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Depending on your circumstances, ultimately this will be your choice. I left AD for personal reasons and joined the USAR. I missed AD, however, got to be in uniform frequently as I built my civilian career. USAR offers GREAT health care option vs. Civilian sector and many of the same opportunities as the AD. Ever thought about being a drill sergeant?. My unit has all of them for the USAR and we need good Soldiers!. I believe there is bonus $ for joining the USAR and going drill sergeant. Check with your retention team.
Either way, best of luck to you in your decision.
Either way, best of luck to you in your decision.
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SSG (Join to see)
I have thought about being a drill sergeant, it use to be one of my goals before I got married. One of my main reasons is I'm tired of moving around and I want to settle here in Augusta, where I'm currently at. There are no opportunities as far as I know to serve as a DS and stay here. Next month is my year out and when I will meet with retention to find out all the opportunities I have.
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LTC (Join to see)
My unit has drill sergeant units all over the country and I am certain we have one close to Augusta. The reserves allows you to serve without the PCS pressure. I can relate,. I still have a hard time building friend networks. After 13 years of moving it takes a toll. If you want more info send me a note at [login to see] and I'll be sure to put you in touch with the right people.
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SSG (Join to see)
Every time I think about the Reserve option I think about it being difficult going back active duty. I also dislike that I have to drive to Fl for drill. I certainly love my MOS though, so I have no desire to re-class but that is a very good possibility. I never thought about being a instructor. Thank you sir for your input!
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LTC (Join to see)
The 2-108th MP BN has a unit at Fort Jackson, SC. That is just an hour and change from Augusta. Plus the Command team is very libeal with RSTs (allowing reserve Soliders drill with other units near their home, so long as they are green in admin/individual training.) Tranistioning to he Reserves is difficult in mind set because the focus in on the bare bones minimum, and 8% of the budget of a typical AC unit. Talk to a reserve recruiter... then bring your further questions here.
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When I was drafted in 1971 it was almost impossible to get out of the service. Now days you are lucky if they keep you. When I was activated for Enduring Freedom I made a good bit of money more than my civilian job and I was comfortable with what I made as a civilian. If you hate all the BS that comes from the military, I say get out. If you can take the BS I say stay in. I'm collecting my military retirement and the extra retirement money is great. I was drafted and active duty Army during "Nam and I waited 10 years before joining the CB's (Navy) at a friends suggestion. Transferred to the Air Force and they let me volunteer to go all over the world, loved it. Especially all the firefighting missions I volunteered for. I see all the fires in the news now and think, "I wish I was still in so I could help out." If you don't want to stay in please consider the reserves. If you don't like it just say, "I quit" and you will be gone fast. It's now harder to stay in the service than to get the 'boot' out Whatever your choice, thank you for stepping up for our county and I wish you only the best in your future.
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Speaking as Career Counselor and a Marine, I think the answer to your question is in your post: "I can't imagine life without the military." It is a rare gift to have a job you love. I would recommend re-enlisting.
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It really depends on how much you love being in. In my case, I loved being in the Corps but, my body did not care so much so that it gave out and broke. I'm doing OK as a Veteran/Civilian, but there isn't a day that goes by that I don't wish I were back/still in.
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