Posted on May 23, 2016
I am supposed to start my terminal leave on the 7th of July, but I failed my last PT test. What discharge will I get, and can I still leave?
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If you failed your APFT, you should be flagged. Being flagged can affect several things such as getting and award, going to school, any kind of favorable action. I cannot see how they would have enough time to try and chapter you out for APFT failure. You should be able to out-process and start your transitional leave as scheduled. I do recommend joining either the National Guard or the Reserve.
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MSG Pat Colby
I'm betting he is still in his MSO. Gotta go either Guard/Reserve as a TPU or he goes IRR. Either way, you're correct SGM, that Flag is on Page 1 of his 201...
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But as I read through this Thread, he said that his Unit has already submitted the Chapter paperwork. His ETS is coming up. He's failed two consecutive APFT's. Correctly or incorrectly thinks he's been given a Permanent Profile. That takes a full blown MEB to be official. If it IS official then an Alternate APFT event would have been identified. If it wasn't an MEB then it would simply be a T3 from his Doc.
Something is not right in this story. Something is VERY not right.
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But as I read through this Thread, he said that his Unit has already submitted the Chapter paperwork. His ETS is coming up. He's failed two consecutive APFT's. Correctly or incorrectly thinks he's been given a Permanent Profile. That takes a full blown MEB to be official. If it IS official then an Alternate APFT event would have been identified. If it wasn't an MEB then it would simply be a T3 from his Doc.
Something is not right in this story. Something is VERY not right.
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SGT Bryon Sergent
MSG Pat Colby - HOLY CRAP MSG you have some time in. I still call it a 201. It's SRB now I think. lol
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At most you should just have a bar to reenlist placed on you. It may also affect your RE code which is for if you try to go back in or to reserve or NG. Should not change an honorable to anything less.
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SSG Randall P.
SGT Jonathon Caldwell - think what were missing is the purpose of a bar. Rehabilitative tool. If you can't rehabilitate because a soldier is etsing... because he wouldn't have time to get to the first 90 day review your not baring him to be rehabilitative your barring him to prevent re-entry.
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SGT Jonathon Caldwell
SSG Randall P. - correct. The bar would be placed to hinder re-entry. Thus changing the RE code causing the person to have to get a waiver if ever trying to enlist again due to possibly being unfit. But my original answer to the original question was just to assure him that there will be no adverse effect on his discharge status due to a failed PT test.
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SSG Randall P.
SGT Jonathon Caldwell - now this is my opinion so take it for what it is. If it's a REHABILITATIVE tool according to 601-280 chapter 8. Then if you are barring a soldier to prevent re entry then you are attempting to punish the soldier and you should go with a chapter instead.
But that's opinion.
But that's opinion.
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SGT Jonathon Caldwell
SSG Randall P. - I totally agree. It should be used as a means to rehabilitative "put a boot in an ass" to fix an issue causing an unacceptable behavior or act if you want to be a soldier. Since he is so close to ETS, my opinion is the COC would probably just let it ride. Possibly have another PT test as a formality and let the SM separate. Especially if the SM's separation counseling states no further want to be in the Army. However if used in this case my opinion would be rather than punishment it would rather be the commanders discretion of keeping someone unfit for service out or if it was a short timer fluke and the rest of their service was stellar and SM was in good character throughout then let them ETS.
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Uncle Sam can't stop time brother. You should still get your Honorable.
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SFC Michael Deffendall
Well, the clock CAN stop...but only in a STOP LOSS situation like a unit deployment during war. But in this case, I agree with the above posts. The most they can do, if they want to, is a bar to re-enlistment. But as a Sr. NCO, I wouldn't have recommended it for one of my departing Soldiers unless they had had a habitual problem. Why taint their record from possibly either going USAR or coming back during a time of a later national crisis.
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MSG Pat Colby
SFC Michael Deffendall - TOUCHE! Stop Loss can indeed stop the clock.
Fortunately, my DD214 renders me immune from such douchbaggery as time manipulation!
Fortunately, my DD214 renders me immune from such douchbaggery as time manipulation!
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Actually, you will be marched out in front of the entire battalion with a drum beat marking slow time, and your rank and other insignia will be ripped from your uniform in front of the entire formation and then you will be marched out the front gate and tossed into the streets, your name stricken from the rolls, ....and depending on the mood of your CO, you might be given a white feather too....
see...I watched too many old movies last night... cue sarcasm font :)
Actually, unless you planned on trying to get back in later, or it was a personal pride issue relax and take a deep breath. Some units might go all chickenshit and screw around with you but it's just mostly games.
Right before I retired some annoying twit of a 2nd Lt noticed I hadn't run a PFT in the last six months and insisted I run a PFT - 32 days before my terminal leave - I just laughed.
see...I watched too many old movies last night... cue sarcasm font :)
Actually, unless you planned on trying to get back in later, or it was a personal pride issue relax and take a deep breath. Some units might go all chickenshit and screw around with you but it's just mostly games.
Right before I retired some annoying twit of a 2nd Lt noticed I hadn't run a PFT in the last six months and insisted I run a PFT - 32 days before my terminal leave - I just laughed.
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GySgt Carl Rumbolo
Sgt (Join to see) - "The Four Feathers", "Beau Geste" "Ten Tall Men", "Under Two Flags" ....and many others :)
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Unless you are being kicked out specifically for your PT failure, it should not affect your discharge. Now I believe if that happened, you'd be put on some kind of remedial program and wouldn't be allowed to separate until you passed the PT test. If not, they might just deny any leave until you've actually separated.
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When I ETSd I was overweight and an APFT failure. They didn't chapter me, nor did my discharge change. It did change my reentry code to RE-3 so I am barred from further military service unless I get a waiver. Oddly they offered me separation pay, but since that money had some strings attached to it I refused. The APFT will not prevent your discharge at all.
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