Posted on Aug 20, 2018
I failed a UA, receive field grade article and I’m currently on extra duty. I’m not sure if I’m being chaptered?
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I failed a UA for percocets. Going through marital problems ie. caught wife cheating, waiting on divorce to be finalized. Ive already had my 2nd reading the BC hit me with the book although he suspended loss of rank, loss of money, and restrictions so right now it’s just 45 days extra duty. The BC then proceeded to tell me I’m on probation for 180 days and if I mess up then he was release the suspensions and it’ll all come down on me. He never stated in his office that I was still getting kicked out. Although, my ncos told me I still have to complete the chapter process in part it was initiated when I was flagged. What does this mean? LTC gave me 180 days probation, does that mean I’m not getting chaptered out? All my ncos including my 1sg and company recommends me to stay in. Please help, I’m confused and I haven’t heard anything else about getting kicked out.
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If you test positive on a urine test, the commander is required to process you for administration separation. The normal procedure would be to refer that soldier to a ASAP rehab program and then the final decision of the flag made after the completion of the program and the recommendation of the counselors and your first line chain of command. If your enlistment will be over before you can complete the program, you can request an extension until you successfully complete it. The commander can remove the flag at that point and allow you to re-enlist. That will be the end of it as long as you don't do that same stupid shit again.
It sounds to me like you CoC doesn't think you are a complete fuckup and are giving you a chance. If they haven't mandated a treatment program, which I would be surprised if they hadn't, I would volunteer to attend one just to show that my head was in the right place. Do the program, do your job and don't let the divorce distract you, which I do know is very hard.
It sounds to me like you CoC doesn't think you are a complete fuckup and are giving you a chance. If they haven't mandated a treatment program, which I would be surprised if they hadn't, I would volunteer to attend one just to show that my head was in the right place. Do the program, do your job and don't let the divorce distract you, which I do know is very hard.
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Thank you sir. For giving me advice as well as not demeaning me In the process. I’m squared away and this is the only trouble I’ve been in, I have no other negative counselings. I actually self enrolled in ASAP instead of waiting to get command reffered. I figured it would look better upon me. Your opinion is much appreciated.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
Yes, but I have never seen a Brigade Commander overrule a Bn Co and your CO. The system allows the lower ranks to screw up and not end their careers, so focus on your performance and you should fine. Be aware that all changes at E5 and above.
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Read through a few of the replies along with your replies to them.
1. You screwed up. Sure you owened it, but it is what it is.
2. RP is a vet community site. By posting your question here you’ve opened yourself up to ridicule, praise, and everything in between. If I were in your shoes, I’d remember what I posted, where I posted it, and it doesn’t matter what the status is next to their name. The Army isn’t big at all, and one smart retort while ‘online’, can have a nasty way of meeting up with you later on. Just because you see V, R, SM doesn’t mean they don’t know folks who know you.
3. Personally I’m against these type of questions. Not because they’re dumb or ignorant, but because folks ask for advice, get a crappy reply, and they in turn give a short and ‘witty’ reply. I’ve been on this site awhile and have seen how NCOS do this reach back thing and find individuals.
Your BC/Co CDR only gave you a chance based off the strength of your NCOS. It has hardly anything to do with you. You owe them the world right now, and in the future. In closing, get some thicker skin. You got lucky. Make some new life corrections, and remember it might be you lookin to save someone else later on. Should you have been chaptered? Yes. Would I ha w fought for you to stay in? Yes. The second you broke that trust....it’d be your ass. Even if we’re in different units. Everyone knows someone
1. You screwed up. Sure you owened it, but it is what it is.
2. RP is a vet community site. By posting your question here you’ve opened yourself up to ridicule, praise, and everything in between. If I were in your shoes, I’d remember what I posted, where I posted it, and it doesn’t matter what the status is next to their name. The Army isn’t big at all, and one smart retort while ‘online’, can have a nasty way of meeting up with you later on. Just because you see V, R, SM doesn’t mean they don’t know folks who know you.
3. Personally I’m against these type of questions. Not because they’re dumb or ignorant, but because folks ask for advice, get a crappy reply, and they in turn give a short and ‘witty’ reply. I’ve been on this site awhile and have seen how NCOS do this reach back thing and find individuals.
Your BC/Co CDR only gave you a chance based off the strength of your NCOS. It has hardly anything to do with you. You owe them the world right now, and in the future. In closing, get some thicker skin. You got lucky. Make some new life corrections, and remember it might be you lookin to save someone else later on. Should you have been chaptered? Yes. Would I ha w fought for you to stay in? Yes. The second you broke that trust....it’d be your ass. Even if we’re in different units. Everyone knows someone
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Sgt Erle Mutz
Not everyone gives out sarcastic or stupid replies. You can easily tell whose serious and what type of information is valid or not. The tests you take to enlist 'can' ferret out (most of) the really 'needy' immature potential members. The rest may take a little hard work or hard knocks to step up.
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SSG Warren Swan
Sgt Erle Mutz - Not all is correct. Problem with these types of posts are you have the hard nosed people, the middle ground folks, and those who will let the shit slide. In this case, as a PV2, you have LITTLE room to slide at all, and you've more than likely used up whatever wiggle room you had getting a suspended bust. Again the Army (military as a whole) was made a LOT smaller with the internet, AKO (service specific versions), and with RP. You sometimes have to swallow that pride, and take a bit of a tongue lashing being this site is millions strong across the board rank wise, and status wise. To get "smart" or "tell it like it is" to anyone, isn't the best policy, and again with the number of senior NCO's here, you're running a real risk of your business catching up to you on the big end. It's happened before on here.
There are times I've slipped and had to have my shot group tightened up on here. I have the "R" next to my name. It's weird how some with that same letter, "V", or SM have a direct affect on your rear end. It's better to be tactful and unload your munitions than to be an ass and get what you're throwing out, coming back at you twice as bad. Everybody knows somebody. How interesting do you want your time to get?
At least this is a PV2.....when we had a SFC actually come on here after his unit dug in that ass, it only went downhill quick. Some folks knew about dude. He's no longer a Soldier, and no blue ID card either.
There are times I've slipped and had to have my shot group tightened up on here. I have the "R" next to my name. It's weird how some with that same letter, "V", or SM have a direct affect on your rear end. It's better to be tactful and unload your munitions than to be an ass and get what you're throwing out, coming back at you twice as bad. Everybody knows somebody. How interesting do you want your time to get?
At least this is a PV2.....when we had a SFC actually come on here after his unit dug in that ass, it only went downhill quick. Some folks knew about dude. He's no longer a Soldier, and no blue ID card either.
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The BC did not "hit you with the book". You got off very lightly. Make the most of it and be grateful.
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I'll tell you the same thing I told my grandson when he was having a problem in his USMC unit.
"You know you made the mistake (when you "chose") to took the pills. Admit it, swear to your superiors that you will never make that mistake (or anything else) AGAIN.
THEN DON'T!!
Accept the punishment, don't whine about 'any' of it, and live up to it - in other words Man Up. [I'm not bullying or belittling you]
Even though we are not getting paid the top dollar (that military personnel should be receiving), we still volunteered and "swore an oath". THAT is YOUR responsibility to hold up your end of the bargain (contract. You WILL earn respect and build your integrity (again) by completing the tasks your were assigned. Regardless of what you hear from your constituents - always perform your 'absolute best', at all times.
Good luck!
The only way to prove yourself is to DO your job and anything else that will show your superiors that you are serious and committed.
YOUR personal stuff can be handled after hours, off days, and with the appropriate assistance. The military has people that can guide you and back you up - after all anything they can do to help "you" - HELPS THEM TOO.
Sgt Erle Mutz
"You know you made the mistake (when you "chose") to took the pills. Admit it, swear to your superiors that you will never make that mistake (or anything else) AGAIN.
THEN DON'T!!
Accept the punishment, don't whine about 'any' of it, and live up to it - in other words Man Up. [I'm not bullying or belittling you]
Even though we are not getting paid the top dollar (that military personnel should be receiving), we still volunteered and "swore an oath". THAT is YOUR responsibility to hold up your end of the bargain (contract. You WILL earn respect and build your integrity (again) by completing the tasks your were assigned. Regardless of what you hear from your constituents - always perform your 'absolute best', at all times.
Good luck!
The only way to prove yourself is to DO your job and anything else that will show your superiors that you are serious and committed.
YOUR personal stuff can be handled after hours, off days, and with the appropriate assistance. The military has people that can guide you and back you up - after all anything they can do to help "you" - HELPS THEM TOO.
Sgt Erle Mutz
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The UCMJ and a chapter are separate actions that can occur independently of each other. Your actions and ownership of them will go far in determining the outcome.
For your own welfare, get yourself some counseling from a trained individual, not the internet horde.
I see several elements in your post that makes me personally concerned for your well-being.
If you need someone to talk to that has been thorough a lot and seen a lot, message me directly, any time.
For your own welfare, get yourself some counseling from a trained individual, not the internet horde.
I see several elements in your post that makes me personally concerned for your well-being.
If you need someone to talk to that has been thorough a lot and seen a lot, message me directly, any time.
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It never hurts to ask your chain of command, they are supposed to keep you posted.
Sounds like you're only getting the corrective training and probation, so keep your nose clean from here on out.
Sounds like you're only getting the corrective training and probation, so keep your nose clean from here on out.
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I also have custody of my daughter. And my CO recommended me to remain in the army.
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Not knowing could be a part of punishment as well. If on probation by LTC means exactly that but you should have received written notification of the fact.
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Sounds like the CO was compassionate by suspending, so do your part and earn it. Your actions now will define your future.
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