Posted on Oct 15, 2015
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I think it is very condescending and rude. Nobody should be attacked for having the job that they have, and if military people think they somehow are of more value to America than others, then they are serving for the wrong reason. What happened to serving because it was the right thing to do?
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MSgt Michael Smith
I personally believe that it is the food servers right to complain, and everyone else's right to criticize them for it. I have no problems at all with that. What I don't like about the meme is the underlying theme there. Maybe I read too much into it, but I don't like it when memes like this suggest that what soldiers do is somehow much more valuable than what anyone else does. That is not for us to say. The American people are the ones that praise or criticize our service -not us. We should serve with honor and selflessness, because that is what service is. I don't mean to preach but I see so many younger vets nowadays who just overtly demand praise and attention for their service --they think they are owed this -and that is not a good attitude.
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PO3 Sherry Thornburg
MSgt Michael Smith - You may have a point, but consider what the E-4 soldier with 2 years in gets paid (just shy of 24,000) and a 15.00 per hour job for flipping burgers full time would be ($31,200). One usually expects higher pay to correspond with higher skills and knowledge. Well, a military person with some A school training has both those things over a restaurant worker, but is being paid significantly less.
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PO3 Sherry Thornburg
SPC David Rosenlund - Totally agree with your assessment. I did McCashier work during college. It was a job, not fun and not great. I moved on too. But it seems that there is a group that wants to make a nest on first base and never move any further.
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SGM Steve Wettstein
PO3 Sherry Thornburg - Your $24,000 a year for an E-4 is based on only base pay. What about room and board and medical benefits that the fast food people definitely don't get. I am not saying that they deserve $15.00 an hour for fast food work. IMO they do not, that industry is for kids to work and should not be a profession unless you are in management. I am just sick of people only telling part of the story to make it look like we don't get paid shit.
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If flipping burgers is your dream career more power to you. It's still not worth $15 and hour.......
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and then there is the business side to this as well -
Despite the job basic economic theory suggests that wages depend on a workers marginal revenue Product MRP. (this is basically the value that they add to the firm who employs them)
MRP is determined by two factors
MPP – Marginal physical product – the productivity of a worker
MR – Marginal Revenue of last good sold – Effectively the price and demand for the good that the worker produces.
When the wage rate is raised above the market equilibrium quantity, there is a surplus of labor, meaning more individuals are willing to work at minimum wage than firms are willing to hire. Increasing the minimum wage results in firms laying off those workers whose marginal revenue product (MRP) is less than the marginal resource cost. While the government can set the minimum wage it doesn't mean businesses can afford or will employ people at that rate. This also works the other way in creating a shortage.
Its just the way it works - however I can guarantee if you raise the minimum wage people will get laid off.
Despite the job basic economic theory suggests that wages depend on a workers marginal revenue Product MRP. (this is basically the value that they add to the firm who employs them)
MRP is determined by two factors
MPP – Marginal physical product – the productivity of a worker
MR – Marginal Revenue of last good sold – Effectively the price and demand for the good that the worker produces.
When the wage rate is raised above the market equilibrium quantity, there is a surplus of labor, meaning more individuals are willing to work at minimum wage than firms are willing to hire. Increasing the minimum wage results in firms laying off those workers whose marginal revenue product (MRP) is less than the marginal resource cost. While the government can set the minimum wage it doesn't mean businesses can afford or will employ people at that rate. This also works the other way in creating a shortage.
Its just the way it works - however I can guarantee if you raise the minimum wage people will get laid off.
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CPT James Burkholder
It seems unfair to compare the value of our military personnel to the individual who produces a product, or sells a product. I'm no economist nor really a businessman but I see no way to assess a value to the benefit received by the protection of our armed forces. Now, I grant that much of what they have been ordered to do for the last decade seems to be of little benefit to the economics of the country. That is the decision of our civilian elected government, not the military itself. Still, how do we put a dollar value to their presence. I for one think they are the ones who need increased pay and benefits. There should be not one American soldier having to get food stamps. I won't bother with the burger flippers. They can always join (if they pass the drug tests and physical requirements).
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SPC David S.
CPT James Burkholder in some cases like with military service the individual forfeits wages for a sense of self worth. Thus that is why people volunteer and work for free. In some cases you can't put a value on that. In this case though we might be able to get a rough estimate if we look at how much do defense security contractors get paid. The individual contractors on the ground typically earn about $600 to $700 a day. Some can earn $1,000 a day, depending on qualifications and experience. I would agree that service members' sense of duty allows them to be taking advantage of to some degree financially - however ask anyone that ever served if they did it for the money.
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