Posted on Aug 15, 2021
I got a DUI this weekend. What can I expect and what can I do to get through this?
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What can I expect? I haven't been in a situation like thus before with ucmj or trouble with the unit.
Most guys I know were retained but it was years ago. How can I stay in and make this right. I deeply regret what I've done.
Most guys I know were retained but it was years ago. How can I stay in and make this right. I deeply regret what I've done.
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It all depends on the General Officer, who is in your Chain of Command. In a lot of instillations, the CG will handle issues like DUIs, directly. You’re most likely going to get a GOMOR and will have the chance to appeal the filing determination of that GOMOR (local or AMHRR). If it goes in your file, you’re going to see a QMP. If it’s local, you’ll still have a shot to Soldier on. Keep in mind that DUIs are serious, and they’re serious to the CG. You could have killed someone or severely hurt someone in the process of driving drunk.
To be absolved of the GOMOR, you’ll need to be found “not guilty” of the offense, in court. If you take a lesser charge, in the Army’s eyes you’re still guilty, so the GOMOR will stick.
You’ve probably already been command referred to SUDCC, so make all your appointments and take them seriously. I’ve personally referred myself to SUDCC for my alcohol issues and it’s been very valuable to my personal and professional life.
No matter what happens, best wishes and I hope you’re getting the help and support you need, whether you leave the military due to this or if you stay in.
To be absolved of the GOMOR, you’ll need to be found “not guilty” of the offense, in court. If you take a lesser charge, in the Army’s eyes you’re still guilty, so the GOMOR will stick.
You’ve probably already been command referred to SUDCC, so make all your appointments and take them seriously. I’ve personally referred myself to SUDCC for my alcohol issues and it’s been very valuable to my personal and professional life.
No matter what happens, best wishes and I hope you’re getting the help and support you need, whether you leave the military due to this or if you stay in.
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SrA Ronald Moore
That true Sir, but as we know it that B/S too, we had freakin beer machines/vending machines in our freakin ‘ barracks at at Chanute AFB, my first drink out of basic training was when. Major stopped and too our freakin’ new soldiers straight to the NCO, club and when we came out falling out, and Before you even off from
The training Schools daily, those beer machines was there in the barrack, and I was like 17 and influenced by a Major
The training Schools daily, those beer machines was there in the barrack, and I was like 17 and influenced by a Major
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SrA Ronald Moore
Yes I made the choice to drink, but also we feared the leadership and follow their every commandSrA Ronald Moore
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If the offense occurred on base, by all means seek legal counsel thru the JAG. If the offense occurred off post, seek civilian counsel specializing in DUI’s. Perhaps your attorney would be able to plea bargain your case. You may be subject to UCMJ code violations after a civilian hearing. I am sure you checked into this prior to any hearing dates. Word to the wise, seeking additional support ie. attending classes, providing documentation regarding prior driving record, etc. would be a step in the right direction. After receiving punishment & you will receive punishment & you are serious in continuing your career, perhaps you will entertain the notion of sharing your experience with other unit members. Everyone makes a mistake, hopefully, you didn’t affect someone else’s life in doing so!
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I know that the Admiral in charge of the PACNORWEST would kick anyone out of the Navy in the early 2000s if they had 2 alcohol incidents. Not sure about the more recent Navy though.
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Alot will depend on what your chain of command pursues. My last command team usually retained the guys after demoting them and command refering them to substance abuse programs. My current command team has thrown the book at everyone regardless of rank. They've chaptered more people in the first 6 months then the last command team had in almost 3 years.
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Well, if it's like any other active duty unit you can expect the following:
An Article 15 which will most certainly result in:
Reduction in rank
Forfeiture of some of your pay
Extra duty for up to 45 days
Restriction for up to 45 days
Additionally you'll likely have chapter paperwork initiated against you and you'll also be told to enroll into the ASAP program.
As an NCO you should know better. Every army unit I've been in gives a safety brief every Friday which always includes a warning against drinking and driving. I have no sympathy for drunk drivers and if I were stupid enough to do something like this then I would deserve everything mentioned above. You are no different. I know I'm being harsh on this but you know better. First offense or not, this is what you deserve.
An Article 15 which will most certainly result in:
Reduction in rank
Forfeiture of some of your pay
Extra duty for up to 45 days
Restriction for up to 45 days
Additionally you'll likely have chapter paperwork initiated against you and you'll also be told to enroll into the ASAP program.
As an NCO you should know better. Every army unit I've been in gives a safety brief every Friday which always includes a warning against drinking and driving. I have no sympathy for drunk drivers and if I were stupid enough to do something like this then I would deserve everything mentioned above. You are no different. I know I'm being harsh on this but you know better. First offense or not, this is what you deserve.
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SrA Ronald Moore
It has not change must, it wax this way back in 1975, we can and must get down hard on drinking but also again ,it was. Do not mess up and drink and fall to a problem, you was there all by your self, every one else , mostly 85 % was besting you there to get their drink on after disclinomg you for your fall
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It is a tricky situation it depends how your COC views you as a NCO I seen some NCOs get demoted to SGT get retained 6 months later they go to the board get there rank back I seen zero tolerance start the chapter guy is out the Army and I seen this guy is high speed as hell let’s move him to BN away from BTRY/CO Level make him do schools NCO BN Ammunition NCO etc for a couple of months then bring him back down to a different BTRY/CO
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I would suggest you come up with a corrective action plan outlining what u did and how u can avoid it in the future. Seek counseling.
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Article 15, GOMAR which will trigger a QMP which has a low chance of retaining you. Just start SFL-TAP or MEB out. Best of luck to you, but hopefully you survive this.
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SrA Ronald Moore
This probably what happen to me back in 1977,78,and if I had lawyered up, I would be in there now,cause of where I was at in Okinawa ,And Kadena Air Base, And put on Antibuse and deciding not to fight the military, and other things, my problem was drinking but also spousal abuse, just keeping it real,and My wife wanting to fight so much , and all of this spilling out onto the Street of Makimanato. Housing Area, Her fighting with a Female Sgt at an on base housing unit, and once getting drunk on B.C Street and some local nationals watering down my drinks, and setting me up and waiting out side of the clubs, and fight, and local Off base jail, and a very angry Female Squadron Commander who did not like women in Okinawa unles they was military, her drunken problem cause the overwhelming decision to give me more re than an article 15, It was a relentless hanging of sorts that played out for like months and being restricted to the base , hey you can not fight all those branches of service in Okinawa, especially having duty, day after day interaction by ever conceivable Interested party, but ai could had took it to court and won, it was political as well., like a Republican and Democrat relentless try to defeat you and make the look good especially when 99 % of it was cause of 100 % clubs you had to go to, 24 hiourd a day , off duty drinking to ease stress, And it did not help tone able to purchase so much Alcohol from the base package store which you could buy like 8-16 cases of Beer, Mille 4-8 gallons of white liquor , brown ,Mix drink alcohol and be encourage to keep a stock that would half fill a tractor trailer unit especially around Typhoon Season, yes I made some bad decisions, but also we also not have no leaving a service person behind Policy and even the Anta buse screwed you up, I I was forced to compromise my service, no one would help me, and the same evening after shift , they all mostly was out there drinking before you was
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all i can say is good luck hope everything works out for you and quit the booze
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