Posted on Jan 25, 2020
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LCpl Douglas Elfving
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He's still in the military until he isn't... if they give him a lawful order he is obligated to obey it... end of story!!!
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SPC Daniel Rule
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As long has he did his phase out physical (phase 2 or 3 don’t remember which) he is exempt from PT and PT tests
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SSG David Angell
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Like it or not, he is still a soldier..for at least 20 more days.
If I were him I would take it. Whether he passes it or not is irrelevant, he did the PT test, as ordered.
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SGM (R) Antonio Brown
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When I was a Squad Leader(SSG/E6) I had a Soldier to complete his phase 2 physical exam for separation from the military. On all official documentation he is a loss and a Soldier has been requisitioned to take his place. At PT formation we began to conduct warmups and this Soldier, while jogging in place, steps on his keys and we all could hear the Pop. The Soldier broke his foot stepping on the keys. Fast forward. 9AM I am explaining to the Company Commander and 1SG what happened and why the Soldier was participating in PT after having completed the phase 2 of his separation physical exam. Because the Soldier was close to getting out of the Army all communication was face to face all the way to 18th ABN Corps HQ. I forgot to mention that I was in the 101st Chemical Company on Fort Bragg. Before the day was over, it was explained to me in great detail, that the military will have to pay the Soldier beyond is ETS date because the Soldier has to be extended for medical reasons. The Soldier will receive medical care until he is fit to leave the military. And I was told that I should have used common sense and have the profile PT instructor to take charge of the Soldier. For the remainder of my career I never made that mistake again while educating the NCOs on my team. Many years ago I had a SGM to tell me that there is a fine line between being hard and being stupid. You decide which side of that line to be on.
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TSgt Erica Claus-numsali
TSgt Erica Claus-numsali
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wow! that must've been hard on everyone to have happen to the soldier, including the soldier himself.
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SGM (R) Antonio Brown
SGM (R) Antonio Brown
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TSgt Erica Claus-numsali it caused the Soldier to change his plans and the leadership had to explain to Big Army(DA) why the Soldier was not going to exit the Army on time.
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TSgt Erica Claus-numsali
TSgt Erica Claus-numsali
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Oh wow! Thank you for the information/update. We have had situations like that happen when I was in the air force. Airman snuffy was supposed to leave in three months, had a breakdown and went to a clinic for psych treatment. She came out and said she was leaving in a month, and then got MEBed (Medical boarded), thus extending her enlistment by a couple of months. After the board, she was separated within a month.
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SFC James Jones
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My suggestion is go thru your chain of command to resolve this issue and not this site. See what they have to say, then you covered your ass.
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LTC Chad Uhl
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Does your commander, Battalion or Brigade know this is being required by a company commander, current DA level orders have waived the APFT from 1 October because of the new APFT transition. Current test is good through 1 OCT 2021(FY). There is no regulation, however, that exempts a Soldier from ANY PT or test until they sign out regardless of ETS/Ret physical complete.
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SFC Joseph Behmke
SFC Joseph Behmke
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Not true. Soldiers aren't required to complete a separation physical test IAW AR 40-501 para 8-24 a&b. After completing your Phase 2 ETS Physical you are exempt from PT and APFT until signing out.
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LTC Chad Uhl
LTC Chad Uhl
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The misunderstanding is that the current AR 40-501 only goes up to chapter 5, so there is no paragraph 8-24...there is NO restriction on making a Soldier take an APFT up to ETS date.
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MSgt Harold Harris
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As I was ready to retire, I rejected the Air Force desire to give me a 10% disability. I was looking forward to entering the private sector and stare a civilian career. That worked for me real well for more than 10 years, then I had a heart attack and required medication on a daily basis. Not a problem initially, and then I deployed to Miami for Hurricane Andrew. I ran short of medication and visited the VA to see if I could refill my medication. They could not find me in their records, but did check me out and provided me with a two week supply. After that, my local VA in Atlanta asked me to come in for a check-up. They found that I was suffering from type II diabetes, caused by Agent Orange and granted me a 40% disability. I asked them about the heart attack, and they said that Agent Orange had nothing to do with that. By that time, I had already suffered, or survived three heart attacks. A young Solider, suffering with the same condition I had with my heart, challenged the VA's finding and won his case. The VA called me in based on the legal finding and reviewed my history and decided to grant me 100% disability. However they were only willing to go back to my first visit, some 10+ years to pay me the disability pay. I loss more than 10 years of pay. I say all of this to suggest, if the military want to check you out before leaving, accept it. Get it on record, it may pay off in the future. Just an old man's view.
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TSgt Erica Claus-numsali
TSgt Erica Claus-numsali
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oh wow! i am glad that you were able to get the disability rate you deserved. sad, that it didn't go back to the 10+ years you were out. glad that the younger soldier who had the same heart problem was able to help you get your rate increased. Agent Orange was nasty for everyone. My father passed away from non-hodgkins lymphoma from Agent Orange. I was exposed to the Burn Pits during my deployments, but need to register. Children born after military members come home from Vietnam and other areas with the Agent Orange also have to register because I think it goes down to two or three generations for the observations. And, I also took the whole series and booster Anthrax shots. Who's to say I won't get something later on down the line? Not to sound graphic, but my 'cycle' hasn't been normal after I was discharged. I wasn't able to have children at all, though fertility runs in the family when you twin sis had two children. I don't know.
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MSgt Harold Harris
MSgt Harold Harris
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Thank you so much for your post. I will have my children, grandchildren and even Great Grandchildren checked out.
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SSG John Naquin
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The bottom line is the unit is going to do what ever they can get away with. If a challenge is presented then plans change miraculously. You as soldiers leader should be fighting to allow soldier ample time not having to deam with this b.s. if need be take the hit. I can only speak for myself a soldier who has done physicals will not be going to field or take pt test. His focus should be on ensuring he has something set up for future success not about whats going to be in his past
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SSG(P) Squad Leader
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Of course the commander is going to require it. That's the commander's job/discretion. In good faith, even though the SM is getting out, should take the APFT. If the CO wanted to make it worse, he/she could pursue UCMJ action and delay SM's ETS.
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CW2 Stephen Pate
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One of the companies I support had a SM do a 12 mile ruck the day before he ETS'd. The kid was literally signing out the next day. I wish I knew about this so I could train that command team.
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