Posted on Mar 29, 2018
I have conflicting feelings over this. I know that open carry is a thing in Texas, but who crossed the line, if anyone?
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CJ Grisham, President of Open Carry Texas, Army veteran and recent candidate for State Representative in District 55, along with a couple of other people was arrested yesterday in Olmos Park, TX (Bexar County). He was tazed and subsequently injured in that arrest with a head injury and was hospitalized. I was told that the head injury was a large gash on the back of the head. He also suffered numerous scrapes on his wrists and arms.
Grisham and crew were legally opening carrying pistols and long guns in response to an event last week when an Olmos Park police officer drew guns on and detained someone with a protest sign solely for the reason of open carrying a pistol (which turned out to be a training fake).
Grisham had a phone conversation with the Olmos Park Police Chief, Rene Valenciano about their policies, etc. in which the chief seemed entirely unconcerned with his officers illegally detaining people for a perfectly legal activity. (The conversation will be linked in the comments below).
Grisham and crew went to Olmos Park yesterday and were legally and peacefully open carrying and got arrested for it. There is a video of the arrest. There was no articulated probable cause for the arrest. The police showed up, including Chief Valenciano and ordered Grisham and his crew to the ground. Grisham at least refused. It was Valenciano that personally tazed and arrested Grisham.
Between the phone call and video from the site, it's very clear this was an illegal arrest by an oath breaking police officer and they will be held accountable.
Grisham and crew were legally opening carrying pistols and long guns in response to an event last week when an Olmos Park police officer drew guns on and detained someone with a protest sign solely for the reason of open carrying a pistol (which turned out to be a training fake).
Grisham had a phone conversation with the Olmos Park Police Chief, Rene Valenciano about their policies, etc. in which the chief seemed entirely unconcerned with his officers illegally detaining people for a perfectly legal activity. (The conversation will be linked in the comments below).
Grisham and crew went to Olmos Park yesterday and were legally and peacefully open carrying and got arrested for it. There is a video of the arrest. There was no articulated probable cause for the arrest. The police showed up, including Chief Valenciano and ordered Grisham and his crew to the ground. Grisham at least refused. It was Valenciano that personally tazed and arrested Grisham.
Between the phone call and video from the site, it's very clear this was an illegal arrest by an oath breaking police officer and they will be held accountable.
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In essence, this was a constitutional audit that Olmos Park Police department failed to a level no one imagined. They went there to expose the corruption and constitutional violations of the Olmos Park Police department. All OPPD had to do was honor their oaths. Instead, the held armed and unarmed civilians at gunpoint, assaulted two people who were neither suspected of not committing crimes, destroyed evidence (broke camera of Jim Everard), seized and kept cell phones (because of the video that was taken on them), they tazed and assualted a man who was neither a threat nor a suspect, they kidnapped a woman on a retaliation warrant that they got for "interfering" for her videotaping them harrassing someone with a sign, then that same officer that had assaulted that lady prior got caught on tape threatening to rape her when she was in back of the police car, they falsified documents, filed false charges, lied, bragged about "squashing the rebel" because they knew who they had, held other camera operators at gunpoint, and the list goes on. Not sure why you're conflicted unless you believe in backing the blue no matter how corruption the officers are. If OPPD has egg on it's face, they put it there themselves.
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SGT James George
SPC Chris Ison - we all have the right to carry. why is the 1st amendment license free, yet the 2nd one isnt? why are all other licenses honored across state borders except for CCW? this is all about political ideology, this isnt about identifying a good or bad guy with a gun.
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CPO Gerald Burns
SGT Dan Gray - I have several grandchildren in school and I suspect that they were never taught. My grandson asked why they were not taught about the constitution and its powers . I had no answer for him and had to leave it at that. My children also stated that they got out of school AND COLLEGE without learning anything in depth about the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. SAD ! No wonder this country is so lost, a bunch of liberal (Read Communist) teachers have decided that they know better than anyone else what is good for us to know ! ! It is sad that this great nation is on the verge of total collapse and no one seems to care ! It makes me sad this is not the same nation that I spent 20 years defending in the military.
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SPC Chris Ison
SGT Dan Gray - The constituion limits the federal governemnt not the state. And Heller v. DC says that the governemnts can limit guns based upon public health reasons.
"Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."
"Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."
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Now accepting applications for the position of Police Chief in Olmos Park TX. Several positions for patrol officer will also be available.
I hope that Chief has a VERY good attorney on retainer. He's going to need one.
I hope that Chief has a VERY good attorney on retainer. He's going to need one.
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SSG(P) D. Wright Downs
CW3 Dick McManus - Well, Chief, Mr. Trump was hell of a lot better than the person who was running against him and her track record was really one that sucked. As usual, I went with the one that I felt I could trust more and that was the non-politician. I am the first to say he was not perfect…most of us who voted for him agree on that and most of us agree that he had his moments and his times really upset us. HOWEVER, look at all he accomplished. I am not going to run a laundry list here as you did. I am not a liberal and I am not a republican. I am an American, Independent, and conservative. I vote for the person who I feel best represents the interest of my country and me. We didn’t have another Benghazi and he di a lot for the economy, the military, and made inroads with diplomacy where it had never been made before. I think that was a plus.
I am an MST survivor and I had a choice, keep my mouth shut and have a career the military or speak up and get thrown out and have the perp promoted. Kept my mouth shut and at least the perp dint’ get promoted…I was lead to believe that he may have been ruffed up by some of my friends at a later date. I have no proof of that, though. So, I understand and know where the woman are coming from. I have been there. There was no press given to me or others who were in my situation. We just sucked it up and decades later the military still does nothing. We continue to suck it up. Why are civilian woman not trained to do the same…not that they should, but we military woman do because it is what we have to do. We have done it for decades.
I voted for Mr. Trump the second time, too. He was better than the other choice and HE HAD ACCOMPLISHED MORE THAN THE PREVIOUS 4 ADMINISTRATIONS HAD DONE.
I am an MST survivor and I had a choice, keep my mouth shut and have a career the military or speak up and get thrown out and have the perp promoted. Kept my mouth shut and at least the perp dint’ get promoted…I was lead to believe that he may have been ruffed up by some of my friends at a later date. I have no proof of that, though. So, I understand and know where the woman are coming from. I have been there. There was no press given to me or others who were in my situation. We just sucked it up and decades later the military still does nothing. We continue to suck it up. Why are civilian woman not trained to do the same…not that they should, but we military woman do because it is what we have to do. We have done it for decades.
I voted for Mr. Trump the second time, too. He was better than the other choice and HE HAD ACCOMPLISHED MORE THAN THE PREVIOUS 4 ADMINISTRATIONS HAD DONE.
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CW3 Dick McManus
SSG(P) D. Wright Downs - I had to google “MST survivor” so I assume you meant Military Sexual Trauma, correct?
I believe Trumpster is a lying sociopath criminal.
Crooked Hillary needs to be prosecuted
She and Bill Clinton are guilty of trafficking in cocaine and launder money with the CIA in order to illegally fund the Contras 86 pages. And Hillary had to Know.
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NSA trace route packets are embedded in hundreds of switchers around the world, and that email messages are easily traced. If it was a hack, Binney reveals, the NSA would know who the sender and recipients of the data are, thanks to mass internet surveillance programs. The intelligence apparatus does not depend on “circumstantial evidence,” as has been reported.
Binney said, “The evidence that should be there is absent; otherwise, it would surely be brought forward, since this could be done without any danger to sources and methods,” the letter stated. “Thus, we conclude that the emails were leaked by an insider – as was the case with Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning. Such an insider could be anyone in a government department or agency with access to NSA databases, or perhaps someone within the DNC.”
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Eight top secret passages and 37 secret passages - that passed through Clinton's private server suggested criminality. And FBI document said, “The sheer volume of information that was properly classified as Secret at the time it was discussed on email supports an inference that the participants were grossly negligent in their handling of that information."
The server and cell phone use by Hillary was not a mistake, it was criminal negligence and intent is not an element of this crime and with regard to classified top secret/special access program information, everyone else would be in jail for ten years and $10,000 fine.
NSA still has a copy of the 30,000 email Hillary or her aides destroyed.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=bill+binney+hillary+clinton%27s+email&view=detail&mid=C0D47BC264C9A20EE857C0D47BC264C9A20EE857&FORM=VIRE
Hillary Clinton got a $142 million dollars into her foundation from a Russian Company. This company bought 20 percent of the US production of uranium and is being shipped to Russia.
Hillary Clinton voted for the war against Iraq, she sent the CIA into Syria resulting in 500,000 civilian deaths.
Bill Clinton went on to receive $104.9 million dollars for speeches. That is all the evidence I need to know she and he are crooks
Clinton had taken the then (she thought) politically expedient decision to vote in favor of the Iraq invasion.
The Libyan people loved Gaddafi. Obama and Hillary Clinton bombed Libya without a declaration of war, yet the Libyan people loved Gaddafi and they hated extremist Muslims, as did Gaddafi. In addition to bombing Libya, MI6 and Turkey sent Muslim /Arab extremist were to Libya to destroy the peace and prevent Gaddafi from establishing a banking system based on gold for Libya and its African neighbors. The Libyan National Army is now winning against those bad boys. The Libyan National Army was always loyal to Gaddafi. They did this even after 9/11 the CIA renditioned detainees for torture to Libya or maybe just passed thru Libya in flights to other nations for torture.
On foreign policy Sec/State Clinton backed the coup makers in Honduras.
Oct 18, 2019: The State Department has completed its internal investigation into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s use of private email and found violations by 38 people, some of whom may face disciplinary action. The department began the investigation in 2016 after declaring 22 emails from Clinton’s private server to be “top secret.”
The department said it found a total of 588 violations involving information then or now deemed to be classified but could not assign fault in 497 cases.
The report concluded “that the use of a private email system to conduct official business added an increased degree of risk of compromise as a private system lacks the network monitoring and intrusion detection capabilities of State Department networks.”
The Justice Department’s inspector general said FBI specialists did not find evidence that the server had been hacked, with one forensics agent saying he felt “fairly confident that there wasn’t an intrusion.”
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I believe Trumpster is a lying sociopath criminal.
Crooked Hillary needs to be prosecuted
She and Bill Clinton are guilty of trafficking in cocaine and launder money with the CIA in order to illegally fund the Contras 86 pages. And Hillary had to Know.
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According to former National Security Agency officer Bill Binney, the DNC computer was not hacked by Russians, rather someone physically downloaded the documents onto a thumb drive. He also believes the intelligence community has not told the truth about what happened. Binney said there is a possibility that the NSA itself hacked the Democratic National Committee's emails and gave the files to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. https://freedomoutpost.com/nsa-veteran-bill-binney-public-lied-russia-election-meddling/
NSA trace route packets are embedded in hundreds of switchers around the world, and that email messages are easily traced. If it was a hack, Binney reveals, the NSA would know who the sender and recipients of the data are, thanks to mass internet surveillance programs. The intelligence apparatus does not depend on “circumstantial evidence,” as has been reported.
Binney said, “The evidence that should be there is absent; otherwise, it would surely be brought forward, since this could be done without any danger to sources and methods,” the letter stated. “Thus, we conclude that the emails were leaked by an insider – as was the case with Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning. Such an insider could be anyone in a government department or agency with access to NSA databases, or perhaps someone within the DNC.”
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CLINTON CORRUPTION DOCUMENTARY
Pay to play by Sec/State Hillary Clinton
Clinton Cash - CLINTON CORRUPTION DOCUMENTARY - YouTube
Hillary Clinton had to sign a document when she was read onto TS/SCI/SAP, Gama access.
She and her aides were warned of the punishment for not following NSA directives in transmitting TS/SCI or SAP national security information. They had to sign a non-disclosure agreement after this briefing about what they could say or not say about the Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) compartments to which they were read-on to. I used to do the briefings for soldiers within the Army.
Eight top secret passages and 37 secret passages - that passed through Clinton's private server suggested criminality. And FBI document said, “The sheer volume of information that was properly classified as Secret at the time it was discussed on email supports an inference that the participants were grossly negligent in their handling of that information."
The server and cell phone use by Hillary was not a mistake, it was criminal negligence and intent is not an element of this crime and with regard to classified top secret/special access program information, everyone else would be in jail for ten years and $10,000 fine.
NSA still has a copy of the 30,000 email Hillary or her aides destroyed.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=bill+binney+hillary+clinton%27s+email&view=detail&mid=C0D47BC264C9A20EE857C0D47BC264C9A20EE857&FORM=VIRE
Hillary Clinton got a $142 million dollars into her foundation from a Russian Company. This company bought 20 percent of the US production of uranium and is being shipped to Russia.
Hillary Clinton voted for the war against Iraq, she sent the CIA into Syria resulting in 500,000 civilian deaths.
Bill Clinton went on to receive $104.9 million dollars for speeches. That is all the evidence I need to know she and he are crooks
Clinton had taken the then (she thought) politically expedient decision to vote in favor of the Iraq invasion.
The Libyan people loved Gaddafi. Obama and Hillary Clinton bombed Libya without a declaration of war, yet the Libyan people loved Gaddafi and they hated extremist Muslims, as did Gaddafi. In addition to bombing Libya, MI6 and Turkey sent Muslim /Arab extremist were to Libya to destroy the peace and prevent Gaddafi from establishing a banking system based on gold for Libya and its African neighbors. The Libyan National Army is now winning against those bad boys. The Libyan National Army was always loyal to Gaddafi. They did this even after 9/11 the CIA renditioned detainees for torture to Libya or maybe just passed thru Libya in flights to other nations for torture.
On foreign policy Sec/State Clinton backed the coup makers in Honduras.
Oct 18, 2019: The State Department has completed its internal investigation into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s use of private email and found violations by 38 people, some of whom may face disciplinary action. The department began the investigation in 2016 after declaring 22 emails from Clinton’s private server to be “top secret.”
The department said it found a total of 588 violations involving information then or now deemed to be classified but could not assign fault in 497 cases.
The report concluded “that the use of a private email system to conduct official business added an increased degree of risk of compromise as a private system lacks the network monitoring and intrusion detection capabilities of State Department networks.”
The Justice Department’s inspector general said FBI specialists did not find evidence that the server had been hacked, with one forensics agent saying he felt “fairly confident that there wasn’t an intrusion.”
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SSgt Robert Van Buhler III
I will fault Trump when Biden's sticky fingers stay off of women and out of their pants. CW3 why the politics here. Won't anyone listen to you at home now that you are retired?
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SSG(P) D. Wright Downs
CW3 Dick McManus - If you had to Google 'MST survivor', you are way out of touch with the military and those who served under you and with you while you were into the politics. Yes, ole Google gave you the correct answer. About 80% of women and 15% of men are raped or assaulted yearly. Your leadership skills are lacking to not have been aware of this. Did you have to wait to read about Jessica at Ft Hood to be aware of what is going on on our Army?
I am not interested in your books, gratis or not, but thank you for the offer. I spend my “spare" time as a volunteer assisting young veterans and their issues. I feel that is important as one who has been there and didn’t have to read about it in books or google.
I am not interested in your books, gratis or not, but thank you for the offer. I spend my “spare" time as a volunteer assisting young veterans and their issues. I feel that is important as one who has been there and didn’t have to read about it in books or google.
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The police chief should be held accountable above all but also hold the officers accountable who obeyed an unlawful order. They should not be let off easily.
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SFC Matthew Parker - He was not wrong. The Nazi saw the protest signs, KNEW open carry was legal, yet violated his oath and the rights of all involved.
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SFC Matthew Parker
SGT (Join to see) - He was wrong, And what protest? The law was changed. This was a 2nd amendment audit to provoke a response from the police, not a protest.
CJ knew the police were going to over react and he handled it wrong.
Stop defending the acts of a child having a temper tantrum.
BTW, The next time police respond to a 911 call and save a child or stop a violent criminal act go ahead and walk up and yell Nazi at them. Next time a police officer stops to save the life of someone in a car wreck, just run up and yell obscenities at them.
Run for office, disband your police department, see how you feel then.
CJ knew the police were going to over react and he handled it wrong.
Stop defending the acts of a child having a temper tantrum.
BTW, The next time police respond to a 911 call and save a child or stop a violent criminal act go ahead and walk up and yell Nazi at them. Next time a police officer stops to save the life of someone in a car wreck, just run up and yell obscenities at them.
Run for office, disband your police department, see how you feel then.
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MSgt J D McKee
PO1 H Gene Lawrence - "you can beat the charge but you can't beat the ride", is what you described was called when I was a deputy. Totally true, and it sucks.
But, "trying to win your cause in the streets never works out?" Naw, can't go with that. If there are enough people involved, and the other side doesn't use machine-guns for crowd control, it always works. The founding fathers were just people, not heroes out of legend, THEY took it to the streets opposed by the British Army, not some sad fat fucks too scared to "allow" fellow citizens the right to be armed. Having spent most of my adult life armed and in the company of other armed people, my only concern in that situation would be an ND. From the cops fiddling with their guns out of fear because their special status is being questioned in the only way that matters.
But, "trying to win your cause in the streets never works out?" Naw, can't go with that. If there are enough people involved, and the other side doesn't use machine-guns for crowd control, it always works. The founding fathers were just people, not heroes out of legend, THEY took it to the streets opposed by the British Army, not some sad fat fucks too scared to "allow" fellow citizens the right to be armed. Having spent most of my adult life armed and in the company of other armed people, my only concern in that situation would be an ND. From the cops fiddling with their guns out of fear because their special status is being questioned in the only way that matters.
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SGT Walter Drumm
The fact that this happened in Bexar County should be anything but a surprise. Only Austin is a bigger liberal rathole.
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I guess the police Chief things he is the big man on campus and doesn’t care to uphold the laws he doesn’t like. I hope he is fired.
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SPC Curtis Underwood
SSG Jc jr Smith - I ask you a question since it appears you are a democrat. What exactly do you think the democratic agenda is? You say the democrats have never taken guns away well you had better do some reading because that is not true. I used to be a democrat several years back I would say about 25 years ago lol but I saw where they were getting more and more toward socialistic policies and away from freedom That is when I decided I was no longer a democrat and since we only have three ways to vote Republican, Democrat, or Independent(and Independent has never done anything but wasted a vote) I decided to vote for who ever represented my View the closest. At this point that happens to be Trump since Pence is against gun rights, the right to life, and the right of freedom.
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TSgt James Warfield
I agree with you. I was never belonged to one party. I voted for the person who I thought supported my views and stance on issues that were important. Like freedom of speech, Freedom to bare arms ( But must admit I don't own any guns ) I have many times over the years since my first time voting ( I am 66 years old, started voting at 18 ) I have voted for Democrats, Republicans, Independent and even Libertarian. In the last 6 years I voted for both our my states democrat US Senators.
However there is no way in Hades, that I can vote for party, the democrats who have gone so far left, that if allowed to have control of this country, we will be the very thing I spent 20 plus years of my life serving to prevent, Communism, Marxism type Socialist government. It has not worked in any country that tried to use it, Cuba, China, the old USSR, ( even the new Russia somewhat ) Venezuela other smaller South American Countries, and even some African countries. All that happen was, just a switch of the haves and have nots. Just look at the history of China, the old soviet union, Cuba, Venezuela. Study history, after the masses helped put the communist dictators or social Marxist into power, those who gain control turned on the very masses that help theme game control. Stalin, murdered millions because he wanted ensure the same people would not turn against him. China killed and imprison, all intellectuals.
Heck look at the Obama care, yes it gave millions people free health care, well it threw many millions off health care because the couldn't afford it gave them a subpar health insurance. Bottom line, it just switches roles. Instead of in this country where any one who wants to, YES anyone, who wants to can do their dream. We have had many legal immigrants who have come here just in the last 20 years who have, and they weren't white male Americans.
I have always believed that there should be safety nets, for unemployed, the aged, at risk kids, and adults who need special help. However I am not for free handouts, limiting speech, and trying to outlaw speech just because people find it offensive, or disagrees with their ideology
The bottom line, I can't support a party ( dem) who push cancel culture, anti patriotism, uses hate to divide us into groups. So I had to #walkaway
My biggest fear, is that to many are listing to sound bits from a very bias media and Social media. I never thought I would see in this country where government agency could be use to outs an elected official, I never thought I would every have to worry about my thoughts, my oppions, love for country and my faith, could land me in jail, or worse.
I hope the Dems will come back to middle, or another party can take their place. Until then I can only vote Republican.
However there is no way in Hades, that I can vote for party, the democrats who have gone so far left, that if allowed to have control of this country, we will be the very thing I spent 20 plus years of my life serving to prevent, Communism, Marxism type Socialist government. It has not worked in any country that tried to use it, Cuba, China, the old USSR, ( even the new Russia somewhat ) Venezuela other smaller South American Countries, and even some African countries. All that happen was, just a switch of the haves and have nots. Just look at the history of China, the old soviet union, Cuba, Venezuela. Study history, after the masses helped put the communist dictators or social Marxist into power, those who gain control turned on the very masses that help theme game control. Stalin, murdered millions because he wanted ensure the same people would not turn against him. China killed and imprison, all intellectuals.
Heck look at the Obama care, yes it gave millions people free health care, well it threw many millions off health care because the couldn't afford it gave them a subpar health insurance. Bottom line, it just switches roles. Instead of in this country where any one who wants to, YES anyone, who wants to can do their dream. We have had many legal immigrants who have come here just in the last 20 years who have, and they weren't white male Americans.
I have always believed that there should be safety nets, for unemployed, the aged, at risk kids, and adults who need special help. However I am not for free handouts, limiting speech, and trying to outlaw speech just because people find it offensive, or disagrees with their ideology
The bottom line, I can't support a party ( dem) who push cancel culture, anti patriotism, uses hate to divide us into groups. So I had to #walkaway
My biggest fear, is that to many are listing to sound bits from a very bias media and Social media. I never thought I would see in this country where government agency could be use to outs an elected official, I never thought I would every have to worry about my thoughts, my oppions, love for country and my faith, could land me in jail, or worse.
I hope the Dems will come back to middle, or another party can take their place. Until then I can only vote Republican.
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SGT Jesse Leonard
Likely, that super trooper thinks that he is the law, a common failing down south and out west. I hope he gets ruined as he should.
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The police were completely out of line. This was not the first indecent with this pd.
They have harassed and falsely arrested other open carriers and people holding signs criticizing the PD.
They have harassed and falsely arrested other open carriers and people holding signs criticizing the PD.
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SFC Harry H.
MSG Louis Alexander - Come on now, lets not be hypocritical here. The US military does it's fair share of wounding and killing innocent civilians all over the world. I am no hater of military or LE, I love them both, as I am/were both. I just don't feel the military has much leg to stand on when pointing fingers at LE to do their job.
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Kenneth Grant - Wait, are you telling me that a Governor and State AG can't launch an investigation into police criminal activity? Then what is he being paid for?
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SFC Harry H. - Bullshit. THIS is AMERICA, not ragheadistan or anywhere else, this asshole KNEW going in that they were going to violate these peoples rights and assault them.
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The police crossed the line. BTW, I used to live in Bexar County and a good number of the police there are not to be trusted. I rarely say things like that, but none of us who were female, would pull over for a police officer; we would drive to the station if stopped.
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Sgt Frank Staples
Definitely some interesting viewpoints here...and valid on both sides. I personally dislike seeing a long gun open carried even though I can understand the reasoning behind it. I think that open carry of a long gun scares the firearms illiterates who VOTE and that hurts our cause. I see open carry with a sidearm frequently and nobody seems to pay much attention to it.
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Sgt Frank Staples
I can see both sides...an attack might occur where the thug doesn't know there's another firearm around...and an attack might be stymied by the sight of an open carrier. I don't think the average thug wants to use his gun...I think they simply want to brandish and scare the bejesus out of their victim and get a couple of bucks for their next drug night!
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Sgt Kerry Thurlow
There are many police departments in Texas with similar reputations. The more isolated the community, the more likelihood there are to be problems with the local (or county) law enforcement officers.
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LTC Ray Buenteo
I grew up in San Antonio and I am offended by your generalization ofthe entire law enforcement community of my home. I have family and friends in the law enforcement community and they are extremely professional . Growing up on the south side of San Antonio near lackland afb I remember how service members on leave in downtown San Antonio use to make rude racist remarks to me and my friends such as “hey how much for your sister paco?” but I did not generalize their racist demeanor to the entire military.
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Olmos Park Police Chief Phone Call (Tyrant Alert)
This is a recording of my phone call with the Olmos Park POlice Chief. I wanted to find out what their procedure was dealing with open carriers after several...
Since the police were 100% in the wrong and the chief himself even said he knew open carry was legal, his department was in the wrong. Listen to my conversation with the chief jist 24 hours prior for yourself.
https://youtu.be/G_X21tsxib0
https://youtu.be/G_X21tsxib0
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1SG Cj Grisham
CWO3 (Join to see) - I'm not intimidated at all by LEOs, which I've proven. Are LEOs so intimidated by the constitution that they have to threaten to kill law abiding gun owners? Seems to me the real cowards are the cops. I put my life on the line standing up to tyrannical cops. White and black men get strangled out by cops. White and black men get murdered by cops. So, stop your retarded race baiting bullshit. Don't worry, I won't become a martyr, but I make a cop into one if he forces me.
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CWO3 (Join to see)
1SG Cj Grisham - Nice dodge on that whole Bill of Rights piece as "retarded race-baiting". I'd expect no less from a "Buffet Constitutionalist". Support only the parts that favor you. You are not alone, as evidenced by the attack on our Capitol. Maybe you can get a laminated card to inform LEOs that you will only obey the laws you support. Not how it works bubba, all in or all out. Maybe you will get to off a cop out of the deal, and make the big league. That would make you a force to be reckoned with for sure. Meanwhile, you just got dropped on your head as a kid and we all should adapt to the World according to Grisham. Have the last word that you crave so desperately, because my BS screen is full. It was entertaining though.
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1SG Cj Grisham
CWO3 (Join to see) - You pulled the ignorant race card. Nowhere in the Bill of Rights is skin color mentioned. I guess I falsely assumed you could read. I don't need a laminated card. I have a mouth and know how to stand up for myself. No law was broken that day, which is something you continue to fail to understand. The "world according to Grisham" is a world where constitutional rights are protected from douchebag cops and statist tyrant cops. I understand it's difficult being such a blue line bootlicker, but one day you'll remember that you're an American with rights...just like me.
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Slippery slope for the 1SG. I am a full supporter of open carry and the 2nd amendment. I understand the state of concern in this country about the issue. However, I can relate to both sides. I will tell you that as a former law enforcement officer, its not a citizens best interest to show up to any protest armed with a gun. Especially if the protest is against the cops. If you show up in protest against cops, they are already uneasy about it, but showing up armed and throwing it in their face is just really a poor decision. As far as the police officers, of which many are veterans, they stick together much like you do in your unit. The police chief will stand by his guys until the investigation is complete. They make mistakes, and trust me they pay for them. The incident that led to this protest, well we do not know exactly what happened. We were not there. I am not saying that the police did or did not violate civil rights. We simply do not know. Let the courts handle that mans issue. The government will not get your guns without a fight. This was not your fight. I know that no one is perfect and emotions run high, but discipline instilled in us as soldiers should teach you how and when to react if at all. We do not need anymore of this anti police movement in America any longer. The job is pretty damned hard, and demands a lot of different emotions. I have caught myself chewing out a motorist for a traffic stop for a minor violation that they did not deserve. I apologized, and gave them a warning instead of citing them. The reason I was so aggravated was because of the call I had just got off of that included a deceased infant. Think about that when you just automatically assume a cop is an ass hole. I hope that the 1SG makes a speedy recovery, and I also hope that he maybe makes a better decision next time. Lead by example, our military needs it.
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SPC Curtis Underwood
MAJ (Join to see) - I am not disputing that there should be some classes taught about constitutional understanding in the military. But I am disputing the question "So why do we take an oath that we intentionally don't teach about?", we go to school and in school are taught about the constitution or used to be back in the 1960's not sure what they teach now with all the BS coming from college students. But with that you have enough to understand what the constitution is about. So it is assumed by the leadership that we have a basic understanding of the constitution. I believe the question is something that should be addressed for a minority but at same time the majority should already know enough.
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SPC Curtis Underwood regardless. My opinion is that the military should have the moral fiber to validate your understanding of the Constitution through a competency exam. When I Commissioned in 1998 OCS (NG program) did not teach the Constitution, was not reinforced in OBC,AOC, nor CGSC. Why?
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I’m not sure how you reconcile: “It’s not in a citizen’s best interest to show up to any protest armed with a gun” exercising their rights with “discipline instilled in us as soldiers should teach you how and when to react”. If LEO’s knew the law and Constitution and were disciplined, None of these rights violations should have happened. Then you discuss an instance where you were undisciplined and chewed out a motorist for something they didn’t deserve. So just a question, How frequently does this happen that those tasked with enforcing the law don’t know the law and are undisciplined in violating citizens rights because they are uneasy about the situation?
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SFC Matthew Parker
That’s the best you can come up with is the 1SG instigated an altercation with noncompliance to an officer’s instructions, verbal harassment and disorderly conduct? This is absolute nonsense and you ought to know better. First of all, exercising your Constitutional rights ( supersedes all state and local ordinances). One cannot instigate an altercation when no law is broken and there is no probable cause. Thus, the instigation was the chief’s. (Not that I believe this is what the 1SG was doing, because I don’t, but It is not against the law to be obnoxious and it is not against the law in Texas to open carry and I don’t give a damn if some podunk chief of police in some podunk drive through hamlet doesn’t like it. He doesn’t get veto power over state law or the Constitution. Secondly, an officer’s instructions are not gospel any more than an order that you make to a subordinate would be lawful if say you ordered your PSG to assault his squad leaders. Verbal harassment, huh? Well that one is protected by the First amendment, still protected, still not a violation of law. You seem to have a lot of contempt for that document you swore to uphold against all enemies foreign and domestic, with emphasis here on domestic. Disorderly conduct would get thrown out of court also because the chief and his officers had no business even approaching someone not breaking the law and against whom they had no probable cause. That boomerang will come back on them as false arrest, and assault and brings me back to how on earth can someone enforce the law when they don’t know what it is or don’t understand it? Keep fighting 1SG. You are legally correct in all areas.
That’s the best you can come up with is the 1SG instigated an altercation with noncompliance to an officer’s instructions, verbal harassment and disorderly conduct? This is absolute nonsense and you ought to know better. First of all, exercising your Constitutional rights ( supersedes all state and local ordinances). One cannot instigate an altercation when no law is broken and there is no probable cause. Thus, the instigation was the chief’s. (Not that I believe this is what the 1SG was doing, because I don’t, but It is not against the law to be obnoxious and it is not against the law in Texas to open carry and I don’t give a damn if some podunk chief of police in some podunk drive through hamlet doesn’t like it. He doesn’t get veto power over state law or the Constitution. Secondly, an officer’s instructions are not gospel any more than an order that you make to a subordinate would be lawful if say you ordered your PSG to assault his squad leaders. Verbal harassment, huh? Well that one is protected by the First amendment, still protected, still not a violation of law. You seem to have a lot of contempt for that document you swore to uphold against all enemies foreign and domestic, with emphasis here on domestic. Disorderly conduct would get thrown out of court also because the chief and his officers had no business even approaching someone not breaking the law and against whom they had no probable cause. That boomerang will come back on them as false arrest, and assault and brings me back to how on earth can someone enforce the law when they don’t know what it is or don’t understand it? Keep fighting 1SG. You are legally correct in all areas.
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What we have is one side of the story. If the police show up and give you instructions to get on the ground, I recommend doing it. You do not know what information they may have been given. With about 40 police officers murdered this year, I am sure they were nervous around a group of armed persons that they did not know the intentions of. I have done this job for 25 years and I have no intention of being murdered. I really dont give a shit about your particular cause which is making you perform provocative actions. I am going home at the end of the shift. If you carry a weapon, use common sense. I would expect a former first sergeant to be a responsible adult. I support the second amendment. But with every right comes responsibility.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Bob you sound like the problem. You have a badge, that gives you the right to do what ever the fuck you want. I have no doubts you are the asshole cop speeding, texting while driving, failing to signal, blocking traffic et al. Retire, your self righteousness will end badly.
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TSgt James Warfield
MAJ (Join to see) - wow, sir. Not sure where you get he is in law enforce officer. However I am glad I am retired and don't have you as a commander. So the best way to get your point across was to attack the Major and his character? This is happening to much by everyone. I see nothing wrong with his statement. You follow orders given to you by those who are in charge. Your an officer, what if you gave one your young troops a order, and dismayed you?
The Major was pointing out the facts, we weren't there we are only seeing part of the situation. Not what happen before. He is right there have been way to many police officers killed in the line of duty this year, hell of lot more, then people who the media want to try use to demonize the all of law enforcement.
Follow those in charge, then take it to proper authorities if the missed used their authority. I had to do this a several time while in the military, and after I retried as well.
Personally after the way you attacked this person by assuming they text, blokc traffic and etc. with out proof, makes me think ( I stated think ) that you might be just as free to abuse your authority, and power invested you because of your rank. You scare me, and I am more scared of the military leadership, today then I am of law enforcement officers.
Wonder if you be the one the first to round up law abiding citizens should the Marxists every get the control they want in this country.
The Major was pointing out the facts, we weren't there we are only seeing part of the situation. Not what happen before. He is right there have been way to many police officers killed in the line of duty this year, hell of lot more, then people who the media want to try use to demonize the all of law enforcement.
Follow those in charge, then take it to proper authorities if the missed used their authority. I had to do this a several time while in the military, and after I retried as well.
Personally after the way you attacked this person by assuming they text, blokc traffic and etc. with out proof, makes me think ( I stated think ) that you might be just as free to abuse your authority, and power invested you because of your rank. You scare me, and I am more scared of the military leadership, today then I am of law enforcement officers.
Wonder if you be the one the first to round up law abiding citizens should the Marxists every get the control they want in this country.
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TSgt James Warfield I agree with you 100% A police officer gives you an order just comply. To easy. To much BS going on. Seems groups like this just push the envelope. Weather he is military or not. But being a First Sergeant he knows this. But to push buttons then cry fowl.
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1SG Cj Grisham
"If the police show up and give you instructions to get on the ground, I recommend doing it." Nope. I'm not a slave and the police aren't my master. I refuse to obey unlawful and unconstitutional edicts from a badged bully.
"You do not know what information they may have been given." I don't care what information they were given since I know what action I took that were perfectly legal and non-threatening. In fact, I also know that I had spoken with the Chief literally 24 hours prior.
"I have done this job for 25 years and I have no intention of being murdered." In other words, your life is more important than the citizens you supposedly protect? I remember when cops cared about the people than themselves. Guess the selfishness and hubris of the law enforcement community is complete. More people are murdered BY COPS than cops are murdered by people each year. The problems is they get a convenient umbrella called "qualified immunity" to kill with impunity under the guise of "I felt threatened."
"I really dont give a shit about your particular cause which is making you perform provocative actions." What "provocative actions" are you referring to? The legal, free, and peaceful exercise of a constitutionally protected right? Do you cops really fear freedom that much? If so, perhaps you should hang up your badge and get a job at a plant nursery where your biggest threat is a squirrel.
"I am going home at the end of the shift." Yeah, damn those peaceful citizens. Your life is more important right? How selfish and cowardly of a statement that is!
" I would expect a former first sergeant to be a responsible adult." Nothing I did was irresponsible. The only irresponsible people that day were the cops that you're defending because the blue line doesn't care about right and wrong or legal or not; it only cares about stroking each other.
"I support the second amendment." No you don't. You support police power and excessive force. You support "going home at the end of the shift"; not the 2nd amendment.
"You do not know what information they may have been given." I don't care what information they were given since I know what action I took that were perfectly legal and non-threatening. In fact, I also know that I had spoken with the Chief literally 24 hours prior.
"I have done this job for 25 years and I have no intention of being murdered." In other words, your life is more important than the citizens you supposedly protect? I remember when cops cared about the people than themselves. Guess the selfishness and hubris of the law enforcement community is complete. More people are murdered BY COPS than cops are murdered by people each year. The problems is they get a convenient umbrella called "qualified immunity" to kill with impunity under the guise of "I felt threatened."
"I really dont give a shit about your particular cause which is making you perform provocative actions." What "provocative actions" are you referring to? The legal, free, and peaceful exercise of a constitutionally protected right? Do you cops really fear freedom that much? If so, perhaps you should hang up your badge and get a job at a plant nursery where your biggest threat is a squirrel.
"I am going home at the end of the shift." Yeah, damn those peaceful citizens. Your life is more important right? How selfish and cowardly of a statement that is!
" I would expect a former first sergeant to be a responsible adult." Nothing I did was irresponsible. The only irresponsible people that day were the cops that you're defending because the blue line doesn't care about right and wrong or legal or not; it only cares about stroking each other.
"I support the second amendment." No you don't. You support police power and excessive force. You support "going home at the end of the shift"; not the 2nd amendment.
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I've been a member of Rally Point for quite some time. But the title of this article as well as the text of the article seem to be in conflict. Something that I haven't really seen in my entire membership with this organization.
Which leads me to believe that the article what is originally written hastily and immediately came to the defense of the officers. However it does appear that the text of the article was later changed after its author you did a lot more research and discovered what exactly had happened.
In which case I would recommend to the author that he changed the title of this article to reflect the opinions stated in the text.
Because it is drawing all sorts of negative attention from the veteran community. Any veteran community who both support the institution of law enforcement but also recognize that this particular Police Department was acting like a Mexican drug cartel.
Which leads me to believe that the article what is originally written hastily and immediately came to the defense of the officers. However it does appear that the text of the article was later changed after its author you did a lot more research and discovered what exactly had happened.
In which case I would recommend to the author that he changed the title of this article to reflect the opinions stated in the text.
Because it is drawing all sorts of negative attention from the veteran community. Any veteran community who both support the institution of law enforcement but also recognize that this particular Police Department was acting like a Mexican drug cartel.
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TSgt James Warfield
Not sure what you mean here. I am to concern, as this to me really isn't a post for this medium in my opinion. However I am concern, how many see our law enforcement as the problem. Yes there are bad apples in the law enforcement, even in leadership.
Being a retired veteran, I know what it's like and I would think many of those on here do as well, to labeled by one or two bad apples. Living in a military town, I am sure many of you have been lumped into military are bad to rent to, sell to, and date my daughter or son. Your child may have been bullied in school. Again all because of one or two bad apples. Also many times it was only a few locals that wanted to make life bad for those of the military and their family.
It's time to get facts, stop jumping to conclusions. Make assessments based on each incident and not try to make it fit all the incidents so lump to try and prove what does not truly exist.
Being a retired veteran, I know what it's like and I would think many of those on here do as well, to labeled by one or two bad apples. Living in a military town, I am sure many of you have been lumped into military are bad to rent to, sell to, and date my daughter or son. Your child may have been bullied in school. Again all because of one or two bad apples. Also many times it was only a few locals that wanted to make life bad for those of the military and their family.
It's time to get facts, stop jumping to conclusions. Make assessments based on each incident and not try to make it fit all the incidents so lump to try and prove what does not truly exist.
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SGT Walter Drumm
There are no easy explanations to a situation like this Private, and the fact that you recognize that speaks well of you.
To me it's a case of what you're entitled to do vs. a matter of good judgment. Going to a protest armed, particularly one involving the police is never a good idea IMO. You have responding officers already on edge due to the circumstances now faced with armed protestors.
To me it's a case of what you're entitled to do vs. a matter of good judgment. Going to a protest armed, particularly one involving the police is never a good idea IMO. You have responding officers already on edge due to the circumstances now faced with armed protestors.
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