Posted on Mar 29, 2018
I have conflicting feelings over this. I know that open carry is a thing in Texas, but who crossed the line, if anyone?
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CJ Grisham, President of Open Carry Texas, Army veteran and recent candidate for State Representative in District 55, along with a couple of other people was arrested yesterday in Olmos Park, TX (Bexar County). He was tazed and subsequently injured in that arrest with a head injury and was hospitalized. I was told that the head injury was a large gash on the back of the head. He also suffered numerous scrapes on his wrists and arms.
Grisham and crew were legally opening carrying pistols and long guns in response to an event last week when an Olmos Park police officer drew guns on and detained someone with a protest sign solely for the reason of open carrying a pistol (which turned out to be a training fake).
Grisham had a phone conversation with the Olmos Park Police Chief, Rene Valenciano about their policies, etc. in which the chief seemed entirely unconcerned with his officers illegally detaining people for a perfectly legal activity. (The conversation will be linked in the comments below).
Grisham and crew went to Olmos Park yesterday and were legally and peacefully open carrying and got arrested for it. There is a video of the arrest. There was no articulated probable cause for the arrest. The police showed up, including Chief Valenciano and ordered Grisham and his crew to the ground. Grisham at least refused. It was Valenciano that personally tazed and arrested Grisham.
Between the phone call and video from the site, it's very clear this was an illegal arrest by an oath breaking police officer and they will be held accountable.
Grisham and crew were legally opening carrying pistols and long guns in response to an event last week when an Olmos Park police officer drew guns on and detained someone with a protest sign solely for the reason of open carrying a pistol (which turned out to be a training fake).
Grisham had a phone conversation with the Olmos Park Police Chief, Rene Valenciano about their policies, etc. in which the chief seemed entirely unconcerned with his officers illegally detaining people for a perfectly legal activity. (The conversation will be linked in the comments below).
Grisham and crew went to Olmos Park yesterday and were legally and peacefully open carrying and got arrested for it. There is a video of the arrest. There was no articulated probable cause for the arrest. The police showed up, including Chief Valenciano and ordered Grisham and his crew to the ground. Grisham at least refused. It was Valenciano that personally tazed and arrested Grisham.
Between the phone call and video from the site, it's very clear this was an illegal arrest by an oath breaking police officer and they will be held accountable.
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We have hired a law firm to ensure that Justice is served and this Police Department, especially the chief, is held accountable.
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1SG Cj Grisham
MAJ (Join to see) - We are currently in the discovery phase of the lawsuit. They refused to settle in good faith.
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I hold a concealed carry permit and am usually armed when I leave home. I know open carry is legal here in Texas but I don’t understand why folks choose to do so. I live in San Antonio, and hadn’t heard of this incident. At any rate, it seems all the fuss could’ve been avoided by simply following the officers instructions. No one would’ve been hurt, and the legality sorted afterwards. I haven’t viewed the videos, but from the narrative it appears the OPPD is completely out of control and must be addressed from top down.
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CMSgt David Allen
I agree. Some folks seem to go out of their way to push the envelope just to make a point.
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MAJ (Join to see)
CMSgt David Allen it's called a Right for a reason, unfortunately most folks dont shut the fuck up and get a lawyer right away. Police can lie, mislead and coerce you without a lawyer. Due to the internet and connectivity of today we get to see folks like you and I (I assume you are law abiding like me since you are an E9, but we have both seen Sr. Ranking morally weak individuals) face serious crimes for not exercising rights.
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SPC Curtis Underwood
People choose to open carry because most states require you to jump through a lot of hoops to get a concealed carry permit. Like Mississippi. You have to take an expensive training course(unless you can get a military document showing your training in use of handguns), then pay 100$ or more for the permit before getting it, submit a lot of signed and notarized documents and then wait for 6 months to a year and then you might or might not get it because a T wasn't crossed or an i not dotted. No refunds. So this is reason a lot open carry to be legal.
I myself open carry due to this.
Also in the State of Ms you can conceal carry now without a permit, if you follow the exact laws on conceal carry which are complex written another words you have to be a lawyer to understand them. So it is easier to open carry.
I myself open carry due to this.
Also in the State of Ms you can conceal carry now without a permit, if you follow the exact laws on conceal carry which are complex written another words you have to be a lawyer to understand them. So it is easier to open carry.
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Open Carry is not just "a thing"in Texas, son. It is the law of the land in a Super Majority of the States within this Union. Because of CJ Grisham, and Pastor Terry Holcomb, Texas finally had the same right as do more than 40 other States.
I have no idea how someone could have "mixed feelings" having sworn the oath & knowing the facts.
I have no idea how someone could have "mixed feelings" having sworn the oath & knowing the facts.
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SSG Jeffrey Leake
I don't know a lot about Texas gun laws, SSG Erik McKinster, which is why I posted this. I live in Arizona. And there are three people that call me son. My father, mother, and our Lord and savior.
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SSG Erik McKinster
Take a deep breath, and don't be so easily offended, but I'll apologise. Now, go listen to the phone conversation, watch the video & do a Google search on CJ. If you do those 3 things, you'll have the pleasure of seeing a true American.
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SPC Curtis Underwood
People choose to open carry because most states require you to jump through a lot of hoops to get a concealed carry permit. Like Ms. You have to take an expensive training course(unless you can get a military document showing your training in use of handguns), then pay 100$ or more for the permit before getting it, submit a lot of signed and notarized documents and then wait for 6 months to a year and then you might or might not get it. No refunds. So this is reason a lot open carry to be legal.
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This doesn't have the full information - a police officer gave him orders, which he disobeyed, then he started an argument with the cops. He was arrested for assaulting a police officer and hindering a public servant. He also has a history of intentionally antagonizing police officers.
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Emily Thomas
He wasn't arrested for resisting arrest, if you read my comment. Assaulting a police officer is not legal under any circumstances.
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SGT (Join to see)
He is NOT required to obey the orders of police if the orders are illegal in the first place.
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SGT (Join to see)
Emily Thomas - Wrong, the Supreme Court has ruled you have the right to protect yourself from police.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Emily Thomas See below, The Bill of rights was written expressly for this reason, abusive government. Once the Police's actions become illegal YOU have a natural right to protect and defend yourself. This is the main point all the sissy sheep on here are scared of, once a Police officer aims (enters your house) a gun at you illegally, you have the Right to shoot them if you fear for your life. Honestly in my opinion is the powder that will set off the keg. The militarization of the Police is leading to this natural conclusion. The underlying issue is 1/2 the population supports a political party that wants 100% government control, the other 1/2 doesn't. Spin that into a law enforcement industrial complex that pays both parties politicians to increase spending for "big brother" projects it seems to me accelerates the potential conflict
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Too often open carry is done for no other reason than to be provocative. If you want to protest police wrong doing, carry concealed and carry a sign. Hire a lawyer and start a Go Fund Me page to pay him. Some cops look for an opportunity to throw their badge around and the law be damned. They should be punished for it, but ya gotta be smart about it and do your skirmishing in court.
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I have no real comment on the article. The following is just my opinion.
If you are going to open carry do so with a pistol or revolver in a holster. When you carry a long gun you look like a Starbucks Commando begging for attention, and you usually get it.
If you are going to open carry do so with a pistol or revolver in a holster. When you carry a long gun you look like a Starbucks Commando begging for attention, and you usually get it.
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SSG Jeffrey Leake
SFC (Join to see), I have yet to figure out why some people insist on carrying a long gun as their open carry. That's just overkill in my opinion.
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Whereas the officer may have been acting illegally to arrest a citizen for no cause, to resist is illegal also.
IMHO - What should have happend is that Grisham should have obeyed the officers instructions to the letter and then sued for false arrest, etc.
This isn't a problem that needs to be dealt with on the streets with violence. This is something that needs to be in a court room, especially when were talking false arrest or similar situations where a sherrif or LEO oversteps the law and attempts to enforce their opinion or belief on the public.
IMHO - What should have happend is that Grisham should have obeyed the officers instructions to the letter and then sued for false arrest, etc.
This isn't a problem that needs to be dealt with on the streets with violence. This is something that needs to be in a court room, especially when were talking false arrest or similar situations where a sherrif or LEO oversteps the law and attempts to enforce their opinion or belief on the public.
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CPL James S.
SGT (Join to see) - resisting *arrest* is illegal. if the arrest is illegal then you have recourse through the courts system. Even our founding fathers tried to do things using established procedure first, so IMHO, we should also use their example of properly employing existing measures *until such measures prove to be tyrannical and ineffective*.
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It is always a bad idea to ignore a police officers orders. Period. I am a big advocate of the Second Ammendment. I personally carry everywhere I go. Part of my job now is training people in firearm safety and concealed and carry techniques. I personally think that open carry is a bad idea. I carry to protect myself and my family. I would never want a bad guy to know that I have a weapon. It would give him the edge to possibly take me out before I knew of a threat. However, regardless of my personal option, it sounds like this Grisham fellow was within his rights. If he would have allowed himself to be detained by the officers he might have a court case against the the police department. For sure he would be without the head injury.
This budding politician would do better to follow directions from a policeman.
This budding politician would do better to follow directions from a policeman.
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Capt Michael Brown
SGT (Join to see) - Wow. What a miscarriage. This is exactly the reason I pay insurance in the the form of US Law Shield. Some states or even rogue Sheriffs just turn up their noses at the 2nd Ammendment. That being said, I still stand by my statement. I carry to insure the safety of myself and others. I want a weapon and I don't want a bad guy knowing I carry. If my only choice was open carry, then I would; since it isn't, I don't.
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Capt Michael Brown
SGT (Join to see) - responding to your comment about heat and humidity. I know that carrying a weapon can at times be both uncomfortable and inconvenient. However, 'carrying' is supposed to be comforting, not comfortable. There are many ways and holster made to accomplish about any situation. For myself, I go through the effort to be concealed.
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Sorry, but no. Illegal is illegal. The police were giving unlawful orders to their superiors.
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Capt Michael Brown
SGT (Join to see) - Of course illegal is illegal. Get things on video and lawyer up. Resisting the orders of a police officer never turns out well. Resisting arrest is a class A misdemeanor and can also lead to injury and possible death. Teach our young people their rights without risking their lives.
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There are obviously many specific facts surrounding this whole event I am unaware of and I am not suggesting that Grisham was doing anything that would constitute a violationof law. However, as a retired law enforcement officer of 25 years, I consider it highly inadvisable to be noncompliant with an officer who is effecting an arrest (even IF you believe the arrest to be unlawful), as more often than not, it just doesn't end well. Instead of failing to comply with what the officer was directing him to do, he should have complied and sorted it all out later. An arrestee does not have to be aware of an officer's probable cause for the arrest in order for an arrest to be lawful. Of course there are civil remedies available for an unlawful arrest.
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