Posted on Mar 29, 2018
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CJ Grisham, President of Open Carry Texas, Army veteran and recent candidate for State Representative in District 55, along with a couple of other people was arrested yesterday in Olmos Park, TX (Bexar County). He was tazed and subsequently injured in that arrest with a head injury and was hospitalized. I was told that the head injury was a large gash on the back of the head. He also suffered numerous scrapes on his wrists and arms.

Grisham and crew were legally opening carrying pistols and long guns in response to an event last week when an Olmos Park police officer drew guns on and detained someone with a protest sign solely for the reason of open carrying a pistol (which turned out to be a training fake).

Grisham had a phone conversation with the Olmos Park Police Chief, Rene Valenciano about their policies, etc. in which the chief seemed entirely unconcerned with his officers illegally detaining people for a perfectly legal activity. (The conversation will be linked in the comments below).

Grisham and crew went to Olmos Park yesterday and were legally and peacefully open carrying and got arrested for it. There is a video of the arrest. There was no articulated probable cause for the arrest. The police showed up, including Chief Valenciano and ordered Grisham and his crew to the ground. Grisham at least refused. It was Valenciano that personally tazed and arrested Grisham.

Between the phone call and video from the site, it's very clear this was an illegal arrest by an oath breaking police officer and they will be held accountable.
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1SG Jeffrey Mullett
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Before you travel to specific communities, you need to make sure they don't have local laws outlining open carry. Each level of your community has the right to add to or change State and Federal laws. Federal and State laws allow for a limit to the level local laws can extend to. Cities can institute limitations and non-carry laws. Counties can also have statutes that prevent open carry.
You can open carry in the state, but local areas can have their own limitations.
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PO2 Greg Donahoe
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There will be an investigation. I hate to comment before that proper look at the facts comes in, but, at first glance, it does appear that the officer made a mistake.
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Tom Vick
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The police chief and his henchmen conspired to deprive these people of their constitutional rights. Also his right to open or conceal carry in Texas if you have an LTC. If he did not have an LTC he can't legally open carry or conceal carry on public property. Long guns are excepted. The Police chief and henchmen should all be fired and the city of Olmos Park and these incompetent police officers sued. Another exception to the hand gun law... in Texas anyone who can legally own or possess a handgun or ammunition can LEGALLY keep a handgun in their car as long as it is concealed, and if stopped by the police must reveal the presence of said gun immediately without being asked. It's a fine line.
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SPC Robert Altig
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The time to debate the legalities of a stop and frisk is never in the field. If the police are wrong, that will come out in court. If the suspect had merely complied, he wouldn't have been injured. People need to learn that playing Clarence Darrow in the field can have lethal consequences. Being "dead right" is too great a price to pay to make your point. As a retired Asst. Chief of Police, I never understand the logic of taking a chance of giving up your life just to prove that you think the police officer is wrong. You don't know why he has contacted you, what type of incident he was told this was. In short you have no basis for assessing the correctness of his actions based on what he was told when dispatched. Ask yourself, would you open carry if you were responding to help control a riot in a correctional institution and chance having a prisoner get the gun away from you? Don't judge another until you walk a mile in his shoes. Then, who cares. He's a mile away and you've got his shoes.
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John Berry
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The first question I would have is probably a silly one: Did they have a Texas 'Licence to Carry' which I have heard is a requirement to carry either open or concealed in the state?
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SSG Jeffrey Leake
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Yes, they do. It's not a silly question.
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It's a very good question because it brings to the forefront how this should be viewed from a Constitutional perspective. Does this mean you will need a license in Texas in the near future to speak your mind in public? Will there be a Hitler-style church-tax? Does it mean you will have to take a test to assert your 4th and 14th amendment rights in the near future? Will you need a license to assert your right to not self-incriminate? Will you have to render payment to acquire these licenses and when you have to renew them? Will you have to get a license to vote? What's more dangerous? Openly carry a firearm or voting some turd into office? Don't forget this is a right, as matter of fact one that is listed right after free speech and religion. Any limitation, license, fee, bureaucratic requirement, etc... that is leveraged on any one right is precedence under "stare decisis" to leverage the same on all of the others. Fighting this fight takes tearing down every prima-facie unconstitutional law, edict, tax, licensing requirement, etc. right away. The licensing and fees for anything firearm related can be fought under the precedences set for poll taxes and voter identification, for example. Paying fees and taxes for rights has been held unconstitutional many times over. Allowing it means only the wealthy can afford to be equal under the constitution, a concept that was abandoned over 100 years ago.
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PFC Gabor Magyari
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I’d say there are entirely too many officers from rank and file to chiefs that let that badge go to their heads and think it puts them above the law. I think that every time one of these officers arrests someone on a false charge, knowingly false, then they should have to go do the time their false conviction would have Yielded the person falsely arrested.
That would keep them in check
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Well, the problem with that is, what it always is in this country, appropriate, consistent, and equal application of the law. The punishment for officers knowingly falsely arresting someone are already very severe. It is the justice system that fails to prosecute (prosecutors a.k.a District Attorneys have full discretion in this country to initiate a prosecution or not - only bar rules can be employed to sanction this). Don't forget that a police officer can only bring a person to court (via arrest or summons) and present evidence as to the involvement of that person in a crime. An officer does not convict anyone. A police officer is basically only a reporter, and in extreme cases is empowered to temporarily remove a person from public who, by the stipulations of the law, is deemed dangerous to themselves or others at the time (drunk driver for e.g.) or generally (murderer, for e.g.). All arrests in all states and territories are reviewed by a judge within a very short time (within 20 or so hours of the arrest), and most persons in custody will be in front of a judge within 48 hours for their arraignment, where a judge decides if they remain in custody or not. They are represented by an attorney at that time and the arresting officer or officers have to present their rationale for their arrest at that point. This does not preclude the officers from lying or presenting false evidence, but in most cases it takes a complicit District Attorney to render a conviction on such basis in court, as they are the only person able to suppress exculpatory evidence only known to the prosecution There are many such DA's still in public service (and not just as DA's, some moved on to being judges and politicians), who have been caught doing that, but were never prosecuted or even disbarred. In this case, particularly as later established in the civil case, there is sufficient probable cause for the officers to be brought to court to answer to charges of deprivation of rights under color of authority, conspiracy to deprive persons of rights under color of authority, and a number of more minor violations. The issue is that for them to see a judge, a District Attorney has to file those charges. The City Attorney is obviously politically inclined to not file any charges, as the officers are doing the city's bidding. It would be up to county or state to file charges (as this is a violation of civil rights, even the feds could), and for the state bar to do something about the City Attorney failing to act where he would generally be required to act, depending on the bar charter and rules. This generally never happens, even though it should. Laws only work if they are enforced on the merit of their intent (not based on politics and emotions), unilaterally, consistently, and equally. Most of the problems facing our nation today are based on the fact that our country's core is based on law (constitutional republic concept), and the fact that the judicial system that is supposed to uphold it is ultimately largely corrupt in every sense, power, politics, money, you name it. Actively serving District Attorneys, Attorney Generals, and Judges also serving as private legal contractors, also serving on private or corporate advisory boards, etc..., along with maintaining long-standing political party, secret society, and exclusive club affiliations spell disaster for real justice.
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SGT Tim. Wilson
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First I’m wondering if the links were removed or what because there not above.
Second and NOT taking away from what happened but if an LEO tells you to do something you comply and then take it up in Court!!!
NOW the above being stated as a former Leo, what was done to 1SG Grisham, his group and the previous individual was totally uncalled for, unprofessional and illegal!!! I truly hope that the police chief and the other officers were all decertified and fired and if it proves to be criminal they should go to jail!!! And that, just for good measure, a sizable punitive financial figure was awarded to all those affected!
I say decertified because any time a cop is fired, unless they go to jail for it, it isn’t very hard for them to move on to another town, state, etc and pick up a new badge. Most places need officers, especially trained and certified officers so bad they are willing to overlook past bad behavior thinking well they got fired for it once so they won’t do that again! And maybe they won’t, but really what’s stopping them from falling into those bad habits again? Especially if all they got was a slap on the wrist the last time and finally fired! Yes I said finally, I mean it’s not like the military where you can screw up once and be roasted! With civilians it seems to take a lot of repeat offenses before anything is done especially with LEOs! I have some ideas on this but that is a horse of a different color!
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SSG Jeffrey Leake
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SGT Tim. Wilson I'm not sure what happened to the original links. The post is 2 years old, so there's no telling. There are over 1k comments on this post. As I scrolled through them, I ran across a few links to videos and the phone call between the 2 parties the day prior.
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SSG Jim Schimon
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We all know how solders are treated off base By local police .This is a problem but most command will take the side of local police and them make that town off limits for a short while .But never holding the locals accountable.Look at fort Brag ,Fayetville nick name was faytname/ FDort Hood off of north post WAS Gaitsville and that was off limits in the 80's .You have the hair cut out of state plate you are a target for money for the fines As the military would not back the solders in a lot of local matters .To open Carrie is just another reason to harass the solder .
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SPC Tim Mitcham
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This is going to sound strange, but I don't care at all about open carry! I am a Life Member of the NRA. I DO support a citizens rights to open carry, I will just never do it myself. To me, an open carry citizen is likely the first target in a sideways situation! If I was a criminal I would shoot whoever was open carry, or at least take their gun b4 the excitement started. Personally, I prefer concealed, for the element of surprise OR the choice of inaction if that is the safer option. Open carry citizens will be included willingly or unwillingly. Open carry citizen almost needs to know what going on b4 it happens to keep from losing gun of his life. NOW, as I said, I FIRMLY SUPPORT rights to open carry for law abiding citizens. Criminals carry concealed whether we like it or not and whether it's legal or not, so good citizens should legally be allowed that privilege. Any LE Officer that does not respect a person's 2nd Amendment rights has failed in his job/duties and should be terminated! He can be punished less severely for other infractions, but Constitutional Rights violations are inexcusable!
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SCPO Ralph Hensley
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It stuns me that a retired career Soldier would so stupidly antagonize those officers who are sworn to protect and serve. Sounds like an opportunity to make a name during a campaign for public office.
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