Posted on Feb 22, 2019
John Kellen
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I lied at meps . I was told I had heart murmur when I was 6 and was told that I would grow out of it little to say I didn’t they found it at meps . I have to go to a cardiologist 3 weeks from now to say if it’s a no go or not . The doctor who found it said it not a big deal and they will let me in . But I’m afraid that they will go back on my medical records and find out I lied . A bunch of others told me to just play dumb . What do you think will they look back on my medical records after finding a heart murmur ?
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CPL Matt Johnson
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You do not belong in the military. You are a waste of air and dumb fuck for posting this type of question on the site. Advice for future.... if your not cut out for military service, accept it!!!
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CPO Gerald Burns
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I have seen many people that lied about that and it never came up again in their career. I was going to enlist in the Navy and work in Medical (Hospital Corpsman) and revealed it to my recruiter. He also encouraged me to say nothing to and had to fill out a waiver for experimental use of Cannabis and it went through with no problem. It was never a problem and I was cleared.

I decided that it was better to reveal it instead of hiding it. Medical is one place where lying is dangerous and can be a serious problem. I was an Independent Duty Corpsman and clearance was required to hold the position. I passed my clearance and it was even mentioned that I experimentally used cannabis. The truth was told and I was cleared for full access.

How you proceed from here is your choice from here but stay consistent in what you say. Changing your story can be dangerous. The truth is always the best way to proceed. Good luck however you decide to go.
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AB Roger Zauner
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Lie baby lie! Lying is what makes the world go 'round and lying is what makes money!

Does anybody really think the world spins via gravity/inertia or people are going to honestly give money away?

On a more serious note, listen to your recruiter.
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PO2 Jason Brooks
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Deny deny deny...
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SSG James Stodola
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Well, first of all you do realize that this is a public forum and you just admitted to violating Art. 83 of the UCMJ. (the elements of fraudulent enlistment or appointment, Article 83, UCMJ, are: (a) that the accused was enlisted or appointed in an armed force; (b) that the accused knowingly misrepresented or deliberately concealed a certain material fact or facts regarding qualifications of the accused for enlistment or appointment; I don't know who this doctor was nor why he said that it is not a big deal. It's no huge, but if your heart is not in top condition then you could be endangering yourself and potentially others if you are unable to do your duty, especially under extreme conditions. Technically this an outright lie, as you stated and could be subject to Art. 83 summary judgement. You might want to come clean to all concerned before they decide to take it any further. Here is a list of the disqualifying conditions. https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/disqualifiers-medical-conditions.html

In short, this would be what they will look at to make their determination.

Heart
The following conditions may disqualify you for military service:

a. All valvular heart diseases, congenital or acquired, including those improved by surgery except mitral valve prolapse and bicuspid aortic valve. These latter two conditions are not reasons for rejection unless there is associated tachyarrhythmia, mitral regurgitation, aortic stenosis, insufficiency or cardiomegaly.

Now, I don't now your reason for lying, but as you can clearly see it was not a good idea, and having said that I will leave it there as I am not you mother or father. You are presumably an adult now and have to take responsibility for all actions and decisions. If your desire was to truly serve your country, I admire that, just not the way you went about it. Come clean and see what happens.
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PO3 Kenneth Suvanto
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Sir John, I think you are perfect for Biden's Military! You do know part of the test is for your Morals...you'll fit right in, don't worry. Sincerely, Ken
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SPC John Coleman
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Idiot
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1stLt Jon Finstad
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Uhh, you know that SOMEONE will see this, word will travel.
We don't need people with low integrity.
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SSG Bill McCoy
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They will try to get some records but 17 or 18 years ago, evetything wasn't put in digital format like now. If the cardiologist clears you, problem solved. If not, your older medical records won't matter. My Granddaughter tried to reenlist for five years and her first two Recruiters were lazy and simply aat on her paperwork, but in fairness, may have assumed her medical history would make their efforts a waste of time. The 3rd Recruiter put the papers thrugh and she was required to get doctors' statements because when she was a young teen, a doctor put her on meds for depression after her Mom passed away after a lengthy illness. She did that, and then MEPS sat on it. Two more tries and more doctor statements and she finally gave upt trying to enlist. I know all that isn't germaine to your situation; but if the cardiologist clears you, you MIGHT still be stonewalled and told to get more statements.
As for owwning up to what happened when you were six, that's not a big deal. In the 50's, my parents were told by a children's hospital that I had polio. I knew nothing about that when I reenlisted and never was told, except in passing AFTER I'd slready served for 12+years.
All that said, and after reading many pro and con comments here, remember that he said that he had been told that he, "would grouw out of it." In his mind he had, so why even mention it? It SEEMS that his concern onoly arose when the MEPS found a murmur. To him, he felt he had grown out of it as his post suggests.
Great comments by the way, pro and con.
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Sgt Greg Nowark
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As an aside, parts of my military service enlistment were inaccurate, missing, incomplete (for some good, for others not so good - smile). Unless you have requested, and looked, at YOUR RECORDS, you cannot really have any idea what could be in there. I would have suggested getting them, but 3weeks isn't enough time for THIS review, but do you think there could be another?
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