Posted on Feb 1, 2022
What regulation or publication specifies which rucks are approved for airborne operations?
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I've been searching all day trying to find the Army publication that dictates what rucks and bags are approved to use in airborne operations. I'm not currently in an airborne unit so I don't have access to a jumpmaster right now.
Airborne School
Jumpmaster School
82nd ABN
Special Forces
Posted 4 y ago
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First place to check is the Common Army Airborne Standard Operating Procedures (CAASOP), but each unit gets their own annex for it. 82nd has an Authorized Use List (AUL) policy letter to check if you go there.
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SGT (Join to see)
Thanks 1SG, CAASOP was exactly what I was looking for. I couldn't remember for the life of me what it was called. (shame on me for letting that slip my mind after 5 years in 82nd)
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SGT (Join to see)
My next question is where to find the PDF online? I couldn't locate it on the 82nd, page, AAS page, or Army Pubs.
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Not sure what the issue is. You will be issued all of the appropriate gear at CIF. If you are trying to do what many do and purchase your own gear it makes no sense.
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SSG Gregg Mourizen
I think you hit it right there...issued by CIF.
Anything you already have, you won't have to jump through hoops and hurdles to get turned in.
With that said, anything lost or damaged end up coming out of your pocket, instead of just doing an exchange.
Kind of a double-edged sword, if you think about it.
Anything you already have, you won't have to jump through hoops and hurdles to get turned in.
With that said, anything lost or damaged end up coming out of your pocket, instead of just doing an exchange.
Kind of a double-edged sword, if you think about it.
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Any Ruck issued by CIF on an airborne base/unit will meet the requirements. It is not actually the ruck per say, but the ruck frame, that takes the abuse.
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Well, generally speaking, the ones that are issued by CIF for Airborne units...
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Many great answers to your question have been already posted, I will add this from personal experience, only CURRENTLY approved CTA-50 can be rigged with current issue equipment, A short story, many years ago a young buck SGT newly arrived from a jump unit in Panama showed up with a 20ft lowering line with bungee cord attachment for a jump, at the time the 15ft HPT lowering line first version was in use and attached to the side of the ruck. A weak JM allowed this jumper to use it but instead of mounting it to the bottom of the ruck(Above back pad, where is was supposed to be attached) he rigged it to the same side we rigged the 15ft lowering line. This jumper became a towed jumper when the lowering line hooked a jump seat by the door. So in short, it may have been approved for jumping at one time but you will use whatever is currently issued/authorized in the ABN unit you are assigned. So if I walked up with my Steele pot, WIEC (sp), T-10B, 20 lowering line with bungee cord attachment in my Jungles I would expect some Jumpmasters to chase me off :)
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A Unit's ASOP will have their specific approved list. Some units may let you use a specific ruck where others will not. They also update/change regularly so keep up with the most recent issues
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1SG Dennis Hicks
SGT (Join to see) - The Staff is just saying out loud what many think when a question is asked that will be answered by Current folks using current equipment. If you are going to an ABN unit one must assume that you are already ABN qualified, if not you will get detailed training at BAS about rigging (At least Hollywood) and when and if you are assigned to an ABN unit and in a Jump slot your FLL will sit you down and go over the unit SOP/ASOP. A great many Tools get wound up over things that will change constantly. On a side note if the response got under your skin than an ABN unit will be a fun place for you.
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Thanks for the words of wisdom 1SG. I have spent the first 5 years of my career in 82nd as Airborne Infantry. In a perfect world yes that would be awesome to get a brief of the AUL and CAASOP but sadly we never did. Most of the time jumpmasters would see a "new" ruck (Mystery Ranch, Eberlestock, etc.) and have a on the fly conversation about is this AUL, how do you rig it, and what does the CAASOP say again? Most of those conversations just end with I don't know, looks right to me so send it. I'm just trying to get the most up-to-date info for approved gear before I buy something that gets kicked back.
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https://www.peosoldier.army.mil/Equipment/Equipment-Portfolio/Project-Manager-Soldier-Survivability-Portfolio/Parachutist-Equipment/
PM Soldier would be where you’d look. Candidly, just easier to call CIF at Bragg and see if they’ll send you the draw menu for SF or 82nd with LINs, which should be all issued MOLLE systems and assault packs. If you are buying some commercial thing, that’s on you.
PM Soldier would be where you’d look. Candidly, just easier to call CIF at Bragg and see if they’ll send you the draw menu for SF or 82nd with LINs, which should be all issued MOLLE systems and assault packs. If you are buying some commercial thing, that’s on you.
PEO Soldier | Portfolio - PM SSV - Parachutist Equipment
Official website for the Program Executive Office Soldier.
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