Posted on May 16, 2015
PO1 John Miller
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What is your typical response when civilians say to you "I pay your salary through taxes that I pay. Therefore you work for me and have to do what I say"?
My normal response is, "I pay taxes too. Want to see my LES (well, when I was active duty. Now it's my retiree pay statement, lol)? Does that mean I pay my own salary?"
Or I would ask them for a raise!
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SGT Richard H.
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Has someone seriously said that to you??

Here's my suggested response:
"you pay how much a year? $4000? Lets see...if we divide that by 2.5 million active and reserve personnel...How about that, you DO pay my salary! $0.0016 per year of it!. WHAT ARE YOUR ORDERS, SIR???"
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SSgt Forensic Meteorological Consultant
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amen brother cracker.. lol. but you are right.. I remember that well.
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SGT Joseph W.
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1SG Drake, perfect answer!!
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
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Maybe just give them a penny and say "Here's your money back. Keep the change?"
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SGT Richard H.
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@cdr michael goldschmidt I like it!
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My response would be, " And you've gotten more than your money's worth from me!"
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SSgt Carlos Martinez
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Very classy
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CPO Jt Milling
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BAMM!
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PO2 Maritime Law Enforcement Specialist
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Lol yup!! This would be a great response!
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MSG Senior Career Manager
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My pay as an E2 back in March 1992 was $880.00 before taxes. I was just ecstatic someone was paying me shoot guns, camp out, learn a skill.
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SPC Jeffrey Bly
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A great response could be, "We pay the Presidents salary too. You can see how well that's worked out for all of us!"
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PO2 Christopher Foss
PO2 Christopher Foss
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Gentlemen, you miss the point. You are bound by regulations to not be critical of the government in your military persona. You can say whatever you like as Joe Blow, but SPC Joe Blow swore an oath to follow the orders of the President, and there are regulations against making statements that can be perceived as speaking against the government. Your position in the military always carries the identity of the military, therefore you can always be taken as a representative of that military.

You are also potentially Prejudicial to Good Order and Discipline and Insubordinate. Say what you will when you are NOT acting as the person that took the oath. When you have the uniform on, be the person that the uniform demands.
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SPC Michelle Nelson - Thompson
SPC Michelle Nelson - Thompson
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PO2 Christopher Foss - Another words wait until your in your civi's to bring up how many soldiers are on food stamps and welfare. Not to mention providing / paying for their own food on training missions. My response would be it's time they upped your taxes.
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PO2 Christopher Foss
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SPC Michelle Nelson - Thompson - Please don't take my statement as any more or any less than it is. I use very precise language specifically to avoid taking a position on the government's behavior, not because I don't have one or because I am afraid to voice my opinion, but, rather because I do not want to see someone get into trouble for doing something that they Should know better than to do. Every person in the military should know that the uniform carries those obligations. Further, we are, or were when I was in, taught that, when the emotions are engaged, the brain tends to disengage. That will not help you to improve the situation.
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SPC Michelle Nelson - Thompson
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PO2 Christopher Foss - I'll admit, I was less critical when I was in. Then again they had very few if any soldiers on federal programs and paying for their own food on training missions back then. It was always a crap shoot if you had a good command chain or not. I saw a lot of higher enlisted and officers that never should have made it to NCO much less advanced. If people wonder why soldiers in today's military act so differently from yesteryear they need to take a look at today's world. The younger population is "dumbing down." Not all but a huge portion. Look at how kids treat their parents then ask are they going to treat any other authority figure any better? Granted much of their behavior is learned from their parents. Yes we all took the same oath but everyone is human. Also everyone has a certain dial on the shit-o-meter were they just throw up their hands. Try being a soldier and working for a government that won't pay enough to keep you're family provided for to the point they have to rely on welfare and food stamps. I think that would cause most people to reach that point. I remember once the government threatened to not pay the military while I was in. The general consensus everywhere was "Don't they realize we're the ones with the guns?" and "All threats foreign AND DOMESTIC." Both of which I heard a Two Star and many higher up's say. By and far the people are fed up with the government, soldiers and civilians alike. The government has no one to blame except themselves when soldiers feel they have to answer the "I pay your taxes" the way they do. They have no one to blame but "themselves" for the breakdown in morale. There is no voting for the best candidate anymore. It's become voting for the lesser of the two evils.
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