Posted on Jun 17, 2016
I think it's great we are being allowed to roll sleeves again, but we need to do it the way we did BDUs. What do you think?
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Really, does it matter? When in combat or in the field, they are going to go back down. A little relief in the form of rolled up sleeves, while physiologically irrelevant, is of great benefit when the wind hits the exposed forearms. We managed to adapt to those with bigger biceps in the past (also in the OG time (pre BDU), and we will do it again. There are more important things to worry about. And, BTW, it has always been the Commander (by way of the NCO corps) who decides the uniform of the day.
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I don't understand the hate for being able to go back to rolling our sleeves. We are the only branch that hasn't returned to the practice. It looked good, fit good, and presented a professional appearance. of course, that was before the wash and wear Army. Yes this will negate the pen pockets, I have my opinions on how this can be handled, but that would require a redesign to the top, and so many have already bought the new uniforms. Either way, we are always changing, even if changing back to the way things used to be, so embrace it, or be bitter all the time.
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LCpl Nicholas Hines
I see what your saying but with he current army uniforms it looks as gay as aids. Even the navy's NWU's with rolled sleeves looks sharper than what the army has proposed
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SFC (Join to see)
Well, I definitely don't want them rolled how y'all do it (no offense), but I don't know if our cuffs will work right for it
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SPC James Anderson
Sir please dont open that Pandora's box. Im sure congress has gotten letters already from privates bitching about cell phone use in basic or some other such nonsense.
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Man I can't believe the whining in here. Maybe the multicam don't look the hottest rolled up. But when I was in the 82nd we loved summertime. Nothing sharper then a pressed uniform with sleeves rolled up, perfect shaped beret, shiny boots and a fresh cut. For y'all whining about sleeves not fitting (most of you upper echelon, probably with an outdated or forged DA 5500) should know better. Pull your head out your forth point of contact and take that yearly pay they give you for clothing, head down to the alterations shop with said uniform(s) and use that money Uncle Sam gives you oh for that said reason. Y'all remind me why I got out. Thank for the solidification. Can't fix stupid but you sure can redirect it.
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Hey Perkins. Somewhere is a group of combat arms Soldiers walking to work wearing body armor and a rucksack in upwards of 100 lbs, carrying a 27 lb Machine Gun. They cannot roll up their sleeves for numerous reasons like, bugs, hot barrels, scrapes and scratches. They are also uncomfortably STICKY. However the reasons that you cannot have your sleeves rolled is based off their MOS. Do these guys a solid though. If they get hurt and wind up on your operating table, please have the A/C cranked. It's hot as hell out there.
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I don't see this being an individual choice, but at the unit commander's discretion. Like another poster asked, at what level? But for my Soldiers it would be all or none. Not going to have a formation with some rolled up and some down. And I would think location, location, location, the further you are from the flag pole, the more discretion the commander will have at the lower level.
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MSG (Join to see)
CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret) - Some of the 1SGs I had.....it was very possible the Moon could have gone BOOM.
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CSM William Payne
It's called being uniformed, something the military is known for . . . Helps create good order and discipline.
Simple Definition of uniform
: not varying or changing : staying the same at all times, in all places, or for all parts or members
If you make it a habit to ignore the little stuff, it becomes much harder to enforce the more significant issues later on.
Simple Definition of uniform
: not varying or changing : staying the same at all times, in all places, or for all parts or members
If you make it a habit to ignore the little stuff, it becomes much harder to enforce the more significant issues later on.
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CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret)
CSM William Payne - "If you make it a habit to ignore the little stuff, it becomes much harder to enforce the more significant issues later on." I've heard this soooo many times but I don't believe it. I do believe a good leader can address a simple issue as this without any issues of enforcing more significant ones at any time. You just need to be clear. I'll say it again: Soldiers are not children and we should stop treating them as such.
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CSM William Payne
Chief, you are entitled to your opinion but it's the NCO Corp that is responsible for being the Master Trainer for the majority of our troops and the ones primarily responsible for enforcing the standards. In my 40 years of service I don't recall many warrant officers detecting and correcting. In fact among senior leadership, they would be the ones most likely to push uniform issues. Spent a lot of time around young Soldiers have you? The platoon sergeant system that we went to several years ago in AIT is producing such wonderful results the Army is considering putting Drill Sergeants back in the game. When I think of the greatest leaders in our military, if you subtract the advantage of overwhelming numbers, the one with the most disciplined force usually prevails in battle. That's why George Washington brought in Von Steuben to turn our undisciplined colonial militia into a Continental Army. If he had not, chances are we lose the American Revolution and instead of discussing uniform issue we are instead voting about our status in the European Union.
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He/she may require it as a way to maintain uniformity, just as they me require personnel to wear the beret during specific functions. But there will always be some individuals that will have some sort of bizzare profile limiting them from rolling the sleeves in garrison.
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When I first enlisted we wore OD fatigues and it wasn't unusual to see sleeves rolled just below the elbow - comfortable enough. Then after Viet Nam, somebody decided there was an official roll - above the elbow. Along came BDUs and come captain came up with the reverse roll to allow sleeves to come down in case of gas attack. Some of the big bicep guys (I wasn't one) would roll their sleeves, put the shirt on and watch fingernails turn pale from lack of blood. It was a flaming pain in the ass and if you took them down, you had to take the shirt off to roll them up again. This is a work/fight uniform, not parade ground. As for khakis, we had wash and wear at one time, easy to take care of, permanent creases in the back, comfortable though every time I looked around, I smeared the collar brass. Paired with the wind breaker it was a smart uniform and comfortable most of the year. (then somebody decided there was a "right" way to wear them, zipped up 2/3 of the way. I'd worked in the pentagon and saw general officers wear them open in warm weather and I thought they looked fine that way.) Sorry, I've been waiting years to vent.
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My other two cents......Rolling sleeves.....all fine and dandy......but then what would be the point of those shoulder pockets then? Where am I to put my pen and pencil that I need? Better yet, unit patches....how could you see them? Also.....again....of all the things to worry about in the Army......rolling the sleeves? Really?
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