Posted on Jun 17, 2016
I think it's great we are being allowed to roll sleeves again, but we need to do it the way we did BDUs. What do you think?
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In the photo you can see this Soldier is wearing it rolled like the Marines wear theirs. I think we need to go back to the way we rolled with BDUs, where the cuff was to the outside. It looks better , and you can just tug the cuff down to easily access your long sleeves when you needed them.
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Best thing the Army did was stop rolling the sleeves .. Rolling the sleeves up exposes the service member to radiation burns, it STOPS or severely limits air flow though the uniform. It does not dramatically lessen heat retention.
If anything, in hot weather situations service members should be allowed to cuff the sleeve, allowing for a LARGER opening encouraging ventilation. That combined with unblosing and cuffing the pant leg is a significant improvement in hot weather.
Uniform choices should be based on empirical evidence that shows improved performance and adaption to environment...
Then you have the uniformity issue, sleeves up or down.. who decides, when, what month, temp, environment?
What of the SM with large arms that cannot physically roll the sleeve like that and not significantly cut off circulation when is detrimental to performance if not a physical danger condition.
Making decisions to be popular ... what a crappy leader choice.. , SMA lost a few respect points from me on this one...not that he cares much what i think..
If anything, in hot weather situations service members should be allowed to cuff the sleeve, allowing for a LARGER opening encouraging ventilation. That combined with unblosing and cuffing the pant leg is a significant improvement in hot weather.
Uniform choices should be based on empirical evidence that shows improved performance and adaption to environment...
Then you have the uniformity issue, sleeves up or down.. who decides, when, what month, temp, environment?
What of the SM with large arms that cannot physically roll the sleeve like that and not significantly cut off circulation when is detrimental to performance if not a physical danger condition.
Making decisions to be popular ... what a crappy leader choice.. , SMA lost a few respect points from me on this one...not that he cares much what i think..
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PFC Bradley Campbell
this a perfect example of the problems we have. just make uniform shirts that are short sleeve. then some asshole officer will decree we will only wear long sleeves. instead, we waste time talking about sleeves instead of being better mentors and leaders who lead by example. and protecting toxic NCO's and Officers. and kicking people out for being 5 pounds over weight......or who fail a PT test. and if i get my mitts on the idiot who brought in the black beret, i will twist his head off.
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SGM Erik Marquez
PFC Bradley Campbell - " kicking people out for being 5 pounds over weight......or who fail a PT test."
And you see it as wrong to uphold standards why?
Your profile says Vet and PFC... that implies you had issues and did not warrant promotion to E4 or were demoted.. Thus your rant is likely as biased as it is unprofessional..
If you had a valid point is was lost on readers...if you can pout together a response that is less biased and even approaching polite discussion, please do. Join the many members here that can agree to disagree, but do so with some manners.
And you see it as wrong to uphold standards why?
Your profile says Vet and PFC... that implies you had issues and did not warrant promotion to E4 or were demoted.. Thus your rant is likely as biased as it is unprofessional..
If you had a valid point is was lost on readers...if you can pout together a response that is less biased and even approaching polite discussion, please do. Join the many members here that can agree to disagree, but do so with some manners.
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PFC Bradley Campbell
ah yes another "expert" who thinks every soldier should be a career soldier. it is and was not for me, but i never ever had any disciplinary anything for any reason. not one black mark of any kind. not that it is any of your concern. as a man, vet and taxpayer i have every right to call out military stupidity as i feel like it. i left and have worked 25+ plus years in a field where it is 100 percent commission. i am all about doing what i say, when i say and not destroying a few people along the way. but please do tell me about standing around drinking coffee and smoking and yelling at people over dumb shit, i 'd love to hear more about it.
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SGM Erik Marquez
PFC Bradley Campbell - Sorry cant help you, I don't smoke and have no time for SM that do "dumb shit" I just did not allow them to be promoted past PFC and made sure they left the service on their own, or with help.
I applaud you for getting out knowing it was not for you. It sounds like it was the better plan for the US Army and you.
I noticed you did not respond to the question, here I'll try again.
You said " " kicking people out for being 5 pounds over weight......or who fail a PT test."
I ask again, "And you see it as wrong to uphold standards why? "
I applaud you for getting out knowing it was not for you. It sounds like it was the better plan for the US Army and you.
I noticed you did not respond to the question, here I'll try again.
You said " " kicking people out for being 5 pounds over weight......or who fail a PT test."
I ask again, "And you see it as wrong to uphold standards why? "
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I think we should just wear the old khaki uniform from the 1950's! Shorts and short sleeve shirts during summertime. It only makes sense. Most of us change into shorts and t-shirts as soon as we get off because the uniforms are ridiculously hot in 100 degrees plus humidity! I don't know why the Army ever went away from them! Especially in garrison!
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LTC Robert McKenna
Top, what I would have preferred is a long and/or short sleeve "garrison top" similar to what the British have. With UCP pants and boots, this would be something between the combat uniform and the class B. All your sew on stuff (skill badges, SSI, etc) can be on that shirt, with the long sleeve outside the pants blouse used for the field.
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SGT Terry Pool
I wished that the Army would have never gone away from the khaki uniform! It still gave a very professional look, and was much lighter than the dress greens, and looked so much better when people were on leave or attending a semi-formal type of function.
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I don't see how this is even viable with either the current multicam or the ACUs - the uniform design doesn't support rolling without looking completely jacked up. Also, given the recent issues that the army has been having with tattoos, better just keep the sleeves down lest senior leader's heads start exploding when they see all the ink that ACUs have been covering up for the last 8 years.
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MAJ Jim Woods
Being real "old school", I don't see a problem with going sleeves up other than for a tactical reason. Anyone who has been stationed 90+ degree heat (don't even talk about the humidity of the Southern School's for Boys and Girls), it is much more comfortable with sleeves up. The new ACU/Multicam's should be modified to accomodate this issue.
I feel however that common sense is not that common anymore. And about the ink? Ask the question "Does the ink affect their effectiveness"?
I feel however that common sense is not that common anymore. And about the ink? Ask the question "Does the ink affect their effectiveness"?
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