Posted on Feb 27, 2018
I was told recruiters will lie to you and you will end up with a different job after basic. Is this true?
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I am a high school senior and just scored a 98 on the ASVAB. I have to talked mostly to the navy, they told me nuclear was the best option. But while I was in the office they were talking to 3 people about it. I am skeptical if they say that to get you to enlist and then give you a different job. I don’t have any military members in my family and need some guidance.
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Recruiters can lie because they are humans with quotas and that can make people do things they shouldn't. But plenty of them are upstanding individuals who tell the truth no matter what.
Bottom line. Make sure you read your contract. Ask them to show you where you are guaranteed an MOS. If they seem put off by those sorts of questions, take some time to make sure you understand what you're reading. If it's not in the contract, it doesn't exist.
Bottom line. Make sure you read your contract. Ask them to show you where you are guaranteed an MOS. If they seem put off by those sorts of questions, take some time to make sure you understand what you're reading. If it's not in the contract, it doesn't exist.
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Grant, I am Active Duty Navy to answer your question Recruiters don't exactly lie they tell you all the good that you CAN get into and leave out the suck.
So your thinking of going Nuke, I currently work at the Nuke training base so I talk to the Nukes a lot. Its hard... let me say that again.. its insanely hard... the amount of school these kids go through is like getting your Masters in a fraction of the time and with out the diploma on the wall. They study 7 days a week, and have mandatory 4 hour study sessions on top of their normal class work every day. IF they pass power school they move on to prototype IF they pass prototype they head to the fleet to spend their lives in front of dials, gages, and screens deep in Subs or Carriers. They do rank up fast and get huge bonus's but can never cross rate and don't get to be stationed overseas in cool places like England, Germany, Spain ect.
IF they fail out they end up being given a job at the needs of the Navy. They have no guarantee or even really a say in the rate they take if they fail, and the fail rate is high. Recruiters get a bonus if they sign up a Nuke so they will always try and get people with a brain to go that route. My grandfather was a Civ Nuke and I have the brains for it but went IT instead. There are so many other rates don't just look at the shiny the recruiter is offering. As others have said talk to other recruiters, while I am partial to the Navy it is a hard life and I want you to succeed. See what the others are offering for you, see if something else meets your standards and interests better.
I wont lie to anyone, Military life can suck, Navy life can be very hard, but the end rewards far out weigh the suck. As of next moth I will have been doing this for 14 years through all the ups and downs I can look back and know I made a difference. if I can help in any way please send me a message. For now I leave you with a quote from JFK.
“I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction: 'I served in the United States Navy.”
So your thinking of going Nuke, I currently work at the Nuke training base so I talk to the Nukes a lot. Its hard... let me say that again.. its insanely hard... the amount of school these kids go through is like getting your Masters in a fraction of the time and with out the diploma on the wall. They study 7 days a week, and have mandatory 4 hour study sessions on top of their normal class work every day. IF they pass power school they move on to prototype IF they pass prototype they head to the fleet to spend their lives in front of dials, gages, and screens deep in Subs or Carriers. They do rank up fast and get huge bonus's but can never cross rate and don't get to be stationed overseas in cool places like England, Germany, Spain ect.
IF they fail out they end up being given a job at the needs of the Navy. They have no guarantee or even really a say in the rate they take if they fail, and the fail rate is high. Recruiters get a bonus if they sign up a Nuke so they will always try and get people with a brain to go that route. My grandfather was a Civ Nuke and I have the brains for it but went IT instead. There are so many other rates don't just look at the shiny the recruiter is offering. As others have said talk to other recruiters, while I am partial to the Navy it is a hard life and I want you to succeed. See what the others are offering for you, see if something else meets your standards and interests better.
I wont lie to anyone, Military life can suck, Navy life can be very hard, but the end rewards far out weigh the suck. As of next moth I will have been doing this for 14 years through all the ups and downs I can look back and know I made a difference. if I can help in any way please send me a message. For now I leave you with a quote from JFK.
“I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction: 'I served in the United States Navy.”
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SSG Dale London
Grant, this is sage advice from the horse's mouth (no offense PO1 Jebediah Spencer). Nuke may sound like a dream come true but weigh up all your options. There are lots of ratings that may not be as sexy as Nuke, but much more achievable. Jebediah's comments regarding the fate of those who pass the course (limited options for stations and being locked into your rating, for example) ought to really give you pause. If you already have a deep interest in nuclear power and an aptitude for advanced physics then, sure, go for it. But if the chief attraction for you is the bonus and bragging rights, do yourself a favor and look for an easier A-school that leaves you broader options.
Don't forget what PO1 Jebediah Spencer said about washouts, either. You flunk out of nuke school and you may find yourself scraping paint for the next four years... really.
Don't let the recruiter snow you. Pick a rating that you actually find interesting and go for that. And then MAKE SURE it's in your contract before you sign it. If it isn't there then you're going to be assigned a job the Navy wants you to do and you probably won't be asked how you feel about it.
This is a true saying for all branches of the service: if it isn't in writing, it doesn't exist.
Don't forget what PO1 Jebediah Spencer said about washouts, either. You flunk out of nuke school and you may find yourself scraping paint for the next four years... really.
Don't let the recruiter snow you. Pick a rating that you actually find interesting and go for that. And then MAKE SURE it's in your contract before you sign it. If it isn't there then you're going to be assigned a job the Navy wants you to do and you probably won't be asked how you feel about it.
This is a true saying for all branches of the service: if it isn't in writing, it doesn't exist.
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MSgt John McGowan
One thing also happens, my civilian co loved these guys. Nukes could all to the gate and just about get a job.Knew some, very smart. use to ask him questions just to mess with him. he might take a day or two but he would answer the question
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SSG Dale London - No offense taken I grew up on a farm and know a compliment lol.
I sadly see the washouts all the time, most of the time its due to mental stress. The Instructors wont hold anyone's hand or slow walk them through the program. Anyone that falls behind is left behind. There are so many more rates that offer post Navy employment. That's the real kicker getting a job once you have done your 4, 6 or 20+ years. People should pick a rate that sets themselves up for post military. I have a Chief buddy that was a Combat Coxswain, that man can drive a boat like no other.... but he now lives in TN and has a skill set that does not translate to the civilian world. Nukes can get good paying civilian jobs, so can IT's, Less stress and cooler places to be stationed fir the IT's lol. Sure its not as cool as some rates (jobs) but I'm not dodging bullets and no matter what I can get a Civilian job with my skill set in about 5 Seconds.
What ever the OP does I hope they set them selves up for the long game and is successful.
I sadly see the washouts all the time, most of the time its due to mental stress. The Instructors wont hold anyone's hand or slow walk them through the program. Anyone that falls behind is left behind. There are so many more rates that offer post Navy employment. That's the real kicker getting a job once you have done your 4, 6 or 20+ years. People should pick a rate that sets themselves up for post military. I have a Chief buddy that was a Combat Coxswain, that man can drive a boat like no other.... but he now lives in TN and has a skill set that does not translate to the civilian world. Nukes can get good paying civilian jobs, so can IT's, Less stress and cooler places to be stationed fir the IT's lol. Sure its not as cool as some rates (jobs) but I'm not dodging bullets and no matter what I can get a Civilian job with my skill set in about 5 Seconds.
What ever the OP does I hope they set them selves up for the long game and is successful.
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If it is in your contract, and you meet the requirements, then that should be the job you get. That being said, it is the military. Nothing is really guaranteed. My advice, make them show you exactly what you are guaranteed, and then do your best to meet (and exceed) the standards and you will be fine. Things happen, though, and don't get discouraged if things change... it very well could be the best thing that ever happens to you.
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