Posted on Nov 21, 2015
If a Conservative Violates The Constitution As Trump is Proposing Would You Stand With Him Or With Your Oath And the Articles Of Freedom?
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Mr Trump is proposing changes to the US constitution and the art. of American freedom These changes may be aside by SCOTUS but it would change Our constitution. and set a precedent for a future POTUS to also make changes. Our Constitution and articles of freedom have kept us whole for 241 years. Again, This is not about politics this is fundamental changes to our American way of life. Now, I did not swear an oath to Mt Trump, I am not against him But I am against changing our freedoms. And I want to know how many of you would stand with your oath or with Mr Trump.
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Does he propose changing the Constitution, or will he simply ignore it by fiat?
If he decides he wants to change it, according to law, which is legal. I don't have a problem with it. If he takes a shortcut and attempts to impose his will against it? Then Congress will either support him or not, and impeach him if they choose. Not a place for the military. There are laws against that.
Of course, if Trump gets elected, he will not have a lot of friends in Congress. He is not an establishment Republican, and he will get as much pushback from them as he will from the Democrats. Both establishment Republicans and all Democrats have a vested interest in letting government grow unfettered. It needs to be stopped.
If he decides he wants to change it, according to law, which is legal. I don't have a problem with it. If he takes a shortcut and attempts to impose his will against it? Then Congress will either support him or not, and impeach him if they choose. Not a place for the military. There are laws against that.
Of course, if Trump gets elected, he will not have a lot of friends in Congress. He is not an establishment Republican, and he will get as much pushback from them as he will from the Democrats. Both establishment Republicans and all Democrats have a vested interest in letting government grow unfettered. It needs to be stopped.
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CSM David Heidke
Also, the Articles of Freedom is not the Constitution of the United States. It's a piece of paper, a proposal, written by self proclaimed representatives (read a group of people, unelected, and with no authority, could be written by anyone). It has absolutely no weight in law.
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SGT Bryan O'Reilly
Thank you for that concise answer. Sergeant Major. I agree absolutely on the legality and I could have framed the Q better for the info about the supporting documents. I have heard roughly the same from my old boss, Gen Moore at Ft Ord, but he called the other documents and the Federalist papers a common thread to refer to if something needed clarity or support. I wanted to see where the group stood. Because, I know we need better leadership, I just worry about sweeping changes and a wave of populism doing what nothing else has done. And a lot of folks, politicians mainly, injecting opinion, or making declarative statements that just aren't in line with it, but score points with frightened civs, whether or not they are constitutional. Thank you for your time.
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There is no legal precedent for the President to change the Constitution. That power lies with both houses of Congress, but the amendment must be ratified by 3/4ths of the state legislatures. Or the legislatures of 3/4th of the states must call for a Constitutional Convention. The Articles of Freedom are meaningless, they carry no legal weight. This is a simplistic statement, if you want the straight skinny, read article V of the Constitution.
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Well there is a right and a wrong way to do things and there is a way to change the constitution I dont know about what the articles of freedom are or why we should change to them.
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