Posted on Jun 15, 2019
If a POG, awarded with a CAB (combat action badge), were to transfer to Infantry, would the soldier be authorized to wear the CIB?
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Everyone so interedted in getting recognition, many for simply being there! I served 1 year in Iraq and the worse thing I saw was officers who never left the FOB wanting to put thmeselves in for bronz stars while denying troops that actually were involved in gunfire exchange the proper awards/metals...I personally find many of them meaningless when every Dick, Tom and Harry get one for just doing their regular job!
Seems to me the NEW military is more concerned with awards then they are with ethics, morals and commitment to real service! Many more concerned with making rank then thinking what it means to take on the higher rank! (To whom much is given, Much will be required!) Before worrying about when you get the next rank or award, be concerned about whether or not you have what it takes to SERIOUSLY take on the responsibilities that come with the title and rank!
That is why I wish the military would simply go back to have positions that allows someone to grow in proficiency and position in a field without necessarilly having to take on a leadership position to simply get more pay! Not everyone has the skills or desire to be in an leadership administrative position...some just like doing the hands on of whatever their MOS might be!
I believe it the miliutary learned to honor and respect people on their skills and allow them to grow and make a livable career in what they are most proficient, we would be able to have a far more proficient military that could afford to be more selective on who they enlist!
Seems to me the NEW military is more concerned with awards then they are with ethics, morals and commitment to real service! Many more concerned with making rank then thinking what it means to take on the higher rank! (To whom much is given, Much will be required!) Before worrying about when you get the next rank or award, be concerned about whether or not you have what it takes to SERIOUSLY take on the responsibilities that come with the title and rank!
That is why I wish the military would simply go back to have positions that allows someone to grow in proficiency and position in a field without necessarilly having to take on a leadership position to simply get more pay! Not everyone has the skills or desire to be in an leadership administrative position...some just like doing the hands on of whatever their MOS might be!
I believe it the miliutary learned to honor and respect people on their skills and allow them to grow and make a livable career in what they are most proficient, we would be able to have a far more proficient military that could afford to be more selective on who they enlist!
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SGT Jay Holland
I have said for years that the Army made a mistake removing the Specialist ranks above E4. There are many SMEs that are not suited for leadership roles. That is one of the reasons I am no longer in. I would have been a great SPC-6 but a lousy Staff Sergeant.
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That very situation happened when I went from a non-infantry MOS in the USMC to an 11B in the Army National Guard. I received a Navy Achievement Medal with "V" and Combat Action Recognition (CAR) for serving as a Machine Gunner in the unit's Provisional Rifle Company - 25 combat patrols up to 5-day duration and service in an action with NVA during Tet 1968. O went to Infantry (Mech) unit in Guard and found that the regulations for CIB included (1) 11B MOS and assignment to an infantry unit at the time of the action.
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PFC Jomel-Michael Baysa II very good question. I appreciate your sense of duty and honor in the since that you are seeking to apply the understanding of applicable AR's concerning awards.
To the quick. No.
Because the criteria set for the CIB and the CAB are different. See AR 600-8-22, CH 8, Sec 2, CIB = 8-6, Pg. 96 a., (1)(2)(3)(4)(5)(a)(b) and so on.
CAB = 8-8 Pg. 101 a., b., c. (1)(2)(3)(4) and so on.
AR-670-1 will let you know how to wear any badge you rate on your uniform.
Finally SPC, you might be a Person Other Than A Grunt (POG) but all 11B's know "One Team One Fight!"
V/R
SFC Shawn Mark Warren, USA, RET.
Antrorsum Hostium and Semper Prorsum!
Front Toward The Enemy and Always Forward!
To the quick. No.
Because the criteria set for the CIB and the CAB are different. See AR 600-8-22, CH 8, Sec 2, CIB = 8-6, Pg. 96 a., (1)(2)(3)(4)(5)(a)(b) and so on.
CAB = 8-8 Pg. 101 a., b., c. (1)(2)(3)(4) and so on.
AR-670-1 will let you know how to wear any badge you rate on your uniform.
Finally SPC, you might be a Person Other Than A Grunt (POG) but all 11B's know "One Team One Fight!"
V/R
SFC Shawn Mark Warren, USA, RET.
Antrorsum Hostium and Semper Prorsum!
Front Toward The Enemy and Always Forward!
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Nope. It is its own award. But if they were deployed as Infantry and were in combat they would then be awarded the CIB as well.
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Nope. It is its own award. But if they were deployed as Infantry and were in combat they would then be awarded the CIB as well.
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No. Read the criteria:
AR 600–8–22 • 5 March 2019
Page 105
Paragraph 8–6.
b. (1) (a) A Soldier must be an Army infantry or SF officer (CMF or AOC 11 or 18) in the grade of COL/O–6 or below, or an Army enlisted Soldier or warrant officer with an infantry or SF MOS who, subsequent to 6 December 1941, has satis-factorily performed duty while assigned or attached as a member of an infantry, ranger, or SF unit of either a brigade, regimental, or smaller size during any period such unit was engaged in active ground combat
(b) (2)
Be assigned to an infantry unit during such time as the unit is engaged in active ground combat.
Page 106
(a) A recipient must be personally present and under hostile fire while serving in an assigned infantry or SF primary duty, in a unit actively engaged in ground combat with the enemy. The unit in question must be a brigade, regiment, or smaller size. For example, personnel possessing an infantry MOS in a rifle squad of a cavalry platoon in a cavalry troop would be eligible for award of the CIB. Battle or CPC alone is not sufficient; the unit must have been in active ground combat with the enemy during the period.
AR 600–8–22 • 5 March 2019
Page 105
Paragraph 8–6.
b. (1) (a) A Soldier must be an Army infantry or SF officer (CMF or AOC 11 or 18) in the grade of COL/O–6 or below, or an Army enlisted Soldier or warrant officer with an infantry or SF MOS who, subsequent to 6 December 1941, has satis-factorily performed duty while assigned or attached as a member of an infantry, ranger, or SF unit of either a brigade, regimental, or smaller size during any period such unit was engaged in active ground combat
(b) (2)
Be assigned to an infantry unit during such time as the unit is engaged in active ground combat.
Page 106
(a) A recipient must be personally present and under hostile fire while serving in an assigned infantry or SF primary duty, in a unit actively engaged in ground combat with the enemy. The unit in question must be a brigade, regiment, or smaller size. For example, personnel possessing an infantry MOS in a rifle squad of a cavalry platoon in a cavalry troop would be eligible for award of the CIB. Battle or CPC alone is not sufficient; the unit must have been in active ground combat with the enemy during the period.
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