Posted on Jun 15, 2019
If a POG, awarded with a CAB (combat action badge), were to transfer to Infantry, would the soldier be authorized to wear the CIB?
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I have both CIB and a CAB. I wore my CIB with pride paired with my 2ID combat patch. When I reclassed to MP I was awarded a CAB with a 42MP brigade patch. I will tell you now that both times was a firefight and there was no difference between the two. If you decide to wear the CAB in a Infantry unit you may get alot of push back but dont let grunts discredit your experience. Very soon here we will be in peace time and those who are still in the Army will have those CABs/CIBs and will stand out
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Define "POG" ? I served on the ground in Iraq two tours. These Army types that throw the term POG around disparage fellow Iraq Iraq Vets from Camp Anaconda and Baghdad. They usually sound like idiots. The last Infantry Veteran I met who liked saying " POG" all the time, never set foot in Iraq, never even left Kuwait. STFU.
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SPC Jomel-Michael Baysa II First off, the answer to your question is simply NO. You can not transfer a CAB for a CIB badge although they have the same classification. Plus if you earn the CIB after earning a CAB, you can only wear one, and most military and especially infantry soldiers will tell you that the CIB is a FAR MORE VALUBLE badge then the CAB even as they are classified the same. In the past, earning a CIB was considered one of the highest forms of recognition for combat experience. Still is to some extent today.
But the more pressing issue is the use of the term POG. Obviously, it generally references to people who work their primary military jobs "inside the security of the base perimeter" versus the infantry "grunt" who supposedly works in the field outside the base perimeter. The term has been around for decades with its originals supposedly developed during the Vietnam area and all the base camps that existed, similar to what we saw over the past twenty years in Iraq and Afghanistan.
My personal concern revolves around the issue of naming "people" based on where they serve and what they do, versus the value that said soldier brings to the "game". Let me list you just two simple examples which I'm familiar with: Military Police and Engineers. You have Combat Escort MPs who drive the roads protecting convoys and keep the routes clear of traffic, they work outside the fence and have the capabilities to earn CAB, where as a MP working base perimeter security or EPW/CI detention cell at a base, might never get the opportunity to earn the CAB given their position.
For Engineers, you have the combat engineer who works route clearance patrols and blows shit up inside and outside the perimeter, while the construction engineer builds the base (sometimes from scratch) usually has a perimeter to work inside of (most of the time). So are they POGs just because of what they do?
My recommendations is to lose the "terms' when describing military personnel as all military personnel deserve respect (OK, maybe the Navy is questionable at best, while the Air Force is nothing more than a cozy country club membership at the worse of times. Just kidding Sailors and Air Force personnel.) BUT THE MARINES AND COAST GUARD Rock ON. GO ARMY, BEAT NAVY & AIR FORCE! The Space Force gets a pass for the time being as they are still less than 100 strong and don't have their space legs under them as of yet. I'll give them two years to get up to speed before insults come forth.
Just some food for thought...
Respectfully
Bob S
But the more pressing issue is the use of the term POG. Obviously, it generally references to people who work their primary military jobs "inside the security of the base perimeter" versus the infantry "grunt" who supposedly works in the field outside the base perimeter. The term has been around for decades with its originals supposedly developed during the Vietnam area and all the base camps that existed, similar to what we saw over the past twenty years in Iraq and Afghanistan.
My personal concern revolves around the issue of naming "people" based on where they serve and what they do, versus the value that said soldier brings to the "game". Let me list you just two simple examples which I'm familiar with: Military Police and Engineers. You have Combat Escort MPs who drive the roads protecting convoys and keep the routes clear of traffic, they work outside the fence and have the capabilities to earn CAB, where as a MP working base perimeter security or EPW/CI detention cell at a base, might never get the opportunity to earn the CAB given their position.
For Engineers, you have the combat engineer who works route clearance patrols and blows shit up inside and outside the perimeter, while the construction engineer builds the base (sometimes from scratch) usually has a perimeter to work inside of (most of the time). So are they POGs just because of what they do?
My recommendations is to lose the "terms' when describing military personnel as all military personnel deserve respect (OK, maybe the Navy is questionable at best, while the Air Force is nothing more than a cozy country club membership at the worse of times. Just kidding Sailors and Air Force personnel.) BUT THE MARINES AND COAST GUARD Rock ON. GO ARMY, BEAT NAVY & AIR FORCE! The Space Force gets a pass for the time being as they are still less than 100 strong and don't have their space legs under them as of yet. I'll give them two years to get up to speed before insults come forth.
Just some food for thought...
Respectfully
Bob S
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No. CIB is awarded based on MOS AND level/unit of assignment. An infantryman 11B who was assigned to Division staff who saw combat action would not be eligible for a CIB because eligibility requirements state he must be in an infantry assignment at brigade level or lower. Same with medics and the CMB. They must be in medical slots in a combat arms unit at brigade level and lower. So medics assigned to a CSH or division/corps level MSMC who get attacked also do not qualify for a CMB. Both examples would qualify for a CAB. And CABs cannot be traded in for a CIB or CMB.
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Choke yourself.
I dont know why you younger people are so worried about you this badge. When we came back from the Nam we were just glad to be alive. That ribbon didnt mean a hill of beans to me. We just wanted to make sure the newbes had their shit together. It wasnt something that you wore as a hey look at me. Im better than you newbe. Semper Fi to all my 0311 brothers. Rant over.
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The question has been answered several times over so I'll respond with a question of my own...
Is the Soldier trying to do this or are you trying to make sure the Soldier can't do it as a way to further demean their previous MOS?
Is the Soldier trying to do this or are you trying to make sure the Soldier can't do it as a way to further demean their previous MOS?
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No. Different awards for different things, young soldier. Someone I was involved in hiring was the first person I'd met with a CAB and when I said, "That's interesting and impressive" she basically denied doing anything more interesting than not getting shot when the Iraqis attacked her hardened and well guarded logistics operating site. Said something about sitting under her desk with M9 drawn...now, that sort of crack is pretty common among people who get those awards for a reason besides proximity and MOS. Knowing her as I do, I suspect so. But to receive a CIB requires being awarded it for operations in an Infantry MOS in an Infantry Unit during combat operations.
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