Posted on Jul 27, 2017
If a SGT(P) is deployed and can't go to ALC, can he or she get promoted under the step program if their school is deferred?
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I do not see an exemption for deployed SM. I see a hard line stance..
(2) All RA and USAR Sergeants must graduate the Advance Leader Course (ALC) before they are eligible for promotion pin-on to Staff Sergeant (SSG).
(4) A Soldier is not fully qualified for promotion pin-on, and will be by-passed for by-name selection (regardless of promotion points/sequence number), when the Soldier is not otherwise fully qualified for such promotion to include completion of the required level of Noncommissioned Officer Education System (NCOES) or Soldiers not in good standing (flagged).
(5) Soldiers who are not fully qualified for promotion pin-on will remain on the selection list with their sequence number, but will not be selected for promotion pin-on until after they are fully qualified and a new promotion requirement exists for their respective MOS and rank.
There may be another message out there that speaks specifically about deployed SM with no Access to ALC, or a directive to CDRs that they must/should/ can send an SM to school vice deploy them. But if so its on the secured not public side of HRC and I do not have access any longer.
(2) All RA and USAR Sergeants must graduate the Advance Leader Course (ALC) before they are eligible for promotion pin-on to Staff Sergeant (SSG).
(4) A Soldier is not fully qualified for promotion pin-on, and will be by-passed for by-name selection (regardless of promotion points/sequence number), when the Soldier is not otherwise fully qualified for such promotion to include completion of the required level of Noncommissioned Officer Education System (NCOES) or Soldiers not in good standing (flagged).
(5) Soldiers who are not fully qualified for promotion pin-on will remain on the selection list with their sequence number, but will not be selected for promotion pin-on until after they are fully qualified and a new promotion requirement exists for their respective MOS and rank.
There may be another message out there that speaks specifically about deployed SM with no Access to ALC, or a directive to CDRs that they must/should/ can send an SM to school vice deploy them. But if so its on the secured not public side of HRC and I do not have access any longer.
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SSG (Join to see)
SGT (Join to see) - until policy changes the best thing that you can do is to get ALC as soon as you get back.
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SGM Erik Marquez
SSG (Join to see) don't hold your breath waiting for that policy to change
The reason we have so many unqualified folks now is the old exception policy.
Every (most) commander was more concerned with their deployment numbers then sending or leaving an SM back for NCOES. And thus 10s of thousands were delayed promotion or promoted pending school "later" that never came.
With optempo now down somewhat and a clear reg and guidence that NCOES comes first commanders now have to make a choice to support the SM and except the mission will go on missing a few
The reason we have so many unqualified folks now is the old exception policy.
Every (most) commander was more concerned with their deployment numbers then sending or leaving an SM back for NCOES. And thus 10s of thousands were delayed promotion or promoted pending school "later" that never came.
With optempo now down somewhat and a clear reg and guidence that NCOES comes first commanders now have to make a choice to support the SM and except the mission will go on missing a few
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No but with the deferment the commander should also have an alternate date for you to go. Have you talked to your commander, it's their decision right wrong or indifferent to defer you from school. Are you mission essential?
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Then the CO I'm afraid is right. Even if it hurts you by not making SSG, the CO is looking bigger picture and that my friend means you need another NCO...
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From MILPER 19-308 dated 26 Sep 2019:
a. Semi-Centralized Enlisted Promotions. HRC will publish a monthly ETP-based cutoff score memorandum to be used for promotable Soldiers in the ranks of SPC/CPL and SGT that are on operational deployments in an imminent danger/hostile fire areas in accordance with (IAW) reference B. In addition to the cutoff scores, HRC will publish a by-name list identifying deployed Soldiers that meet the eligibility for the ETP Professional Military Education (PME) promotion.
This is subject to change, of course, but if you meet the ETP-based cutoff score, which is different from and higher than the fully eligible score, then you may be promoted if you are on an eligible deployment.
a. Semi-Centralized Enlisted Promotions. HRC will publish a monthly ETP-based cutoff score memorandum to be used for promotable Soldiers in the ranks of SPC/CPL and SGT that are on operational deployments in an imminent danger/hostile fire areas in accordance with (IAW) reference B. In addition to the cutoff scores, HRC will publish a by-name list identifying deployed Soldiers that meet the eligibility for the ETP Professional Military Education (PME) promotion.
This is subject to change, of course, but if you meet the ETP-based cutoff score, which is different from and higher than the fully eligible score, then you may be promoted if you are on an eligible deployment.
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And MILPER 19-332 dated 16 Oct 2019 has a few updates and clarifications to 19-308 but the overall effect is the same.
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