Posted on May 9, 2016
SGT(P) Daniel McBride
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SM is currently on leave and unfortunately left his room a little dirty. It the chain of command authorized to go in his room and box up all his personal items while he's gone or is there a certain way they can? Just curious for the soldier
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There are a million of other ways of making a service member pay for their mistake. Why waste time, resources, and venturing into risky action - when you can just have him Oki-field day (that's when you take absolutely every single furniture and personal belonging out of the room and clean absolutely everything - it's the ultimate field day) his room upon return?
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PO3 Hospital Corpsman
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Room has to be inspection ready, so that is a failure if it is unsat but coc does not have the authority to box anything up unless the member is deserted or deceased I think.
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MAJ L. Nicholas Smith
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They can box it up under certain circumstances.
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SFC Timothy Rose
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There may be a lot more to this story then what is said above. I don't agree with what they did, but the way the rules stand I would need to know why. Don't think they would do it because his room was a little messy. As someone who spent almost half his career as a single soldier I still hate the idea that someone could come into my living space and tell me how I could keep it. I always did well on inspections but despised the fact that as a Jr NCO I had room inspections while lower enlisted lived off post with their family did not. Might be time for the Army to re-think this issue. I know a lot may not agree with me, but we need to treat men like men. Then we would not need to have this discussion.
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SGT(P) Daniel McBride
SGT(P) Daniel McBride
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I considered a counseling revolving around them signing for government quarters. What responsibilities they have for the quarters and as adults. If they're charged for cleaning or damages. It will come from their own pocket. It's just frustrating sometimes to hear them preach that we are all adults and then check on them like they're children
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SrA Chris Livingston
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Must be an ARMY thing. Never remember having room inspections as a condition for getting leave approval. Yes room needed to be in order all the time and we knew when weekly inspections were. Most of the time was always a two man room with at least one in the room responsible for common property appearance, if one was gone or working a different shift, then the other was responsible for his specific items. If one was on leave and a discrepancy was noted on "his" specific items he would know about it when he got back and talked to about it as needed. Most of the time we were assumed to be adults until we showed otherwise.
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SGT Chris Stephens
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I remember this exact thing happening to me when I was a PFC. I went on leave and left my room dirty. When I got back, there was a "surprise" room inspection, which of course I wasn't ready for. The next thing I know, my NCO had me take everything out of my room piece by piece and then put it all back up piece by piece into a nice, orderly manner. My room was never messy after that.
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With the information I have it sounds as if the command is being overbearing. However there are a million sides to every story. When I was on active duty I lived In the barracks. I thought it was utterly ridiculous how command was not held to the same standard. If I went to their off post housing I guarantee I would have found a dependa infested pigsty, but there was no accountability for them, yet they could come into my living space, my barracks room under the pretense of maintaining standards. I sincerely think it was more of a kick the dog syndrome where leaders would fuck with e4 and below for no rational reason. Health and welfare makes perfect sense. We've all seen that fucktard that can't wipe his own ass that needs to be checked on for his own well being.
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LTC Chief Of Public Affairs And Protocol
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I hope they conducted an inventory of all his stuff.
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SGT(P) Daniel McBride
SGT(P) Daniel McBride
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I'm not quite sure but I don't believe so
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LTC Chief Of Public Affairs And Protocol
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Then they have some exposure for anything that is missing....or allegedly missing.
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SGT Michael Sonmor
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A sm room needs to be inspection ready at all times. That's called discipline. That's a leadership failure. I also think the Squad Leader and Plt Sgt. need some corrective training. I've spent a few weekends making sure my troops rooms are clean. They didn't need to be as good as my room, but they should be clean.
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CPL Tommy Santos
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CoC? I don't think Commissioned Officers should handle this, until the NCO Channel has been utilized. Two opinions:

1) Do not involve IG
2) If it's a direct superior, NCO "playing" fuck-fuck games, in good taste, as in having a good relationship with the SM, then let it happen.
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SGT Allen Brunner
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While I didn't tolerate a dirty barracks room, I also knew that the troops were going to enjoy themselves before returning to duty. If he had a roommate then clean up the room without touching his roommates stuff, if he is in a room by himself, no offense but why was the room opened if you knew he was gone, I mean if it was a one room barracks and the person is on leave the room never should have been opened. the room should have been inspected prior to the individual going on leave, not waiting until he/she was gone to do it. The Chain of Command needs to fix that policy fast.
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