Posted on May 9, 2016
If a solder's room is dirty and he's on leave, can the chain of command box his personal items up as punishment?
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The only reason to disturb a SMs property is because it is not secured. There isn't a lot of information on exactly what his billeting situation is. There should be a standard proceedure for personel when you go on leave. All of your personal belongings should be secured in a locker and or wardrobe. If there is a valid concern about theft his command could inventory and box up his belongings and store them until his return.
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Why go thru all of that for a dirty room?? If he is due to be back in a few days, leave a note in his room to have him see someone within his chain about why he left the room in such a state before leaving. Does he have a history of failing room inspections? If not, then handle this with the least amount of humiliation for the troop but ensure that he is aware of why this shouldn't continue to happen: case closed.
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That's not how to teach this soldier. Your leadership will also be in question. I've known NCO's that got arrested for theft trying what your talking about. And those NCO's didn't steal anything. They still got charged.
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SSgt (Join to see)
they probably meant POG dirty not operator dirty, considering we're talking about actually sleeping in one's own room :D
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Don't soldiers who take leave, and are not planning on residing in the barracks during leave, have to have their personal items inventoried and secured prior to leaving? I know that was the policy in my unit. I am curious how the SM ended up in this position.
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1SG (Join to see)
I agree. My unit went as far as to insist that personal items were locked or secured at any time we were not in our rooms. (Stuff like books and minor trinkets were excepted.) This was done to protect the soldier. My unit was protecting Germany from the Ruskies and were treated as if we could be alerted at any time. The command did not want soldiers in a situation where they were suddenly deployed to an alert or an exercise and had their personal belongings unsecured.
AS I am sure is standard protocol today, before we deployed to Turkey for the First Gulf War, we had our personal items inventoried, locked secured with security wire in our room lockers.
AS I am sure is standard protocol today, before we deployed to Turkey for the First Gulf War, we had our personal items inventoried, locked secured with security wire in our room lockers.
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SGT Kyle Johnson
We used to have all the SM personal items put in their locker and then it was banded while they were gone. Items to large for the locker were put in the arms room and secure. Half the time they were lucky to get the same room back... 1980's were so much easier LOL
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1SG (Join to see)
I had my NBC room. It also came in handy during inspections. Nothing illegal, but stuff that might raise an eyebrow or two: "Hey Squires, can I stash this in the NBC room for the inspection?" I should have charged a storage fee.
My training NCO had a foot locker full of porn mags. I don't know why he had them in the CQ area, but he ask me to keep them in my NBC room. I forgot they were there on a bottom shelf. I went to PLDC and during one of my phone calls, called back to my unit. My XO/ NBC Officer (female) had entered the room to look for something and found the stash. That was am embarrassing conversation when I got back.
My training NCO had a foot locker full of porn mags. I don't know why he had them in the CQ area, but he ask me to keep them in my NBC room. I forgot they were there on a bottom shelf. I went to PLDC and during one of my phone calls, called back to my unit. My XO/ NBC Officer (female) had entered the room to look for something and found the stash. That was am embarrassing conversation when I got back.
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SGM Erik Marquez
SGT(P) Daniel McBride - It just gets frustrating at times preaching that soldier are grown men and women and then turn around and treat them like 3rd grade children
And clearly the reasoning for the policy is not understood....it has nothing to do with the SM being treated like a child. ..and everything to do with the room itself, its possible use while the SM is gone, and PROTECTING the current occupant.
When SGT McBride gets his third Domestic call and the chain of command is required to move him in the barracks away from his spouse, 1SG Kennedy is going to have to find an open room,,, when the only unoccupied one is SGT Marqueze's because he is on leave for 22 days, that is the room SGT McBride is going to be put in..... Lucky, SGT Marquez's unit and leadership had the foresight to set a policy in place to help protect SGT Marquez, in that prior to leave SGT Marquez re inventoried his high value property, was offered and accepted the opportunity to store his personal toolbox and tools in the supply connex, and SGT Marquez was "required" to store, secure all of his personal gear in his room.
NOTE: all names used in the fictitious example above are not intended to state or imply any thing negitive, they are just used for place holders in the example.
And clearly the reasoning for the policy is not understood....it has nothing to do with the SM being treated like a child. ..and everything to do with the room itself, its possible use while the SM is gone, and PROTECTING the current occupant.
When SGT McBride gets his third Domestic call and the chain of command is required to move him in the barracks away from his spouse, 1SG Kennedy is going to have to find an open room,,, when the only unoccupied one is SGT Marqueze's because he is on leave for 22 days, that is the room SGT McBride is going to be put in..... Lucky, SGT Marquez's unit and leadership had the foresight to set a policy in place to help protect SGT Marquez, in that prior to leave SGT Marquez re inventoried his high value property, was offered and accepted the opportunity to store his personal toolbox and tools in the supply connex, and SGT Marquez was "required" to store, secure all of his personal gear in his room.
NOTE: all names used in the fictitious example above are not intended to state or imply any thing negitive, they are just used for place holders in the example.
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Unfortunately. Lmao. S***bag. Too many whiney, cat like Soldiers these days. NCO's have lost their authority to correctively train the junior enlisted. Result: no discipline. CSM's and 1SG's do not conduct enough barracks inspections. Parking lots filled with trash. Hallways filled with dirt and trash. Stairwells filled with cig butts and beer bottles. Literally no discipline.
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PO2 Nick Burke
There is a huge difference between training and petty, spiteful actions.
That's not leadership. Why weren't those NCOs more proactive. Maybe the discipline failure is the NCO's and leadership.
That's not leadership. Why weren't those NCOs more proactive. Maybe the discipline failure is the NCO's and leadership.
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SGT(P) Daniel McBride
Not to joke but in sure just about every punishment outside of counseling is considered hazing now
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SGT Kyle Johnson
It has changed, i remember many SM sleeping in the quad with a shelter half, or boxing up a SM room. There would be the 1SG, and the whole SM COC there to witness it. Supply Sgt would secure it. If there were several a guard mount would be added. But, to be honest there was never anyone out there that did not totally deserve it. Not much sympathy from those who made an effort to meet standards. My complaint was when the whole barracks got smoked for a GI party due to these people. Blanket Party !
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SGT(P) Daniel McBride
MSG Francisco Ojeda he was alone but they waited till the last sec to approve his leave and had less than an hour to make it to the airport. Then entered his room illegally and bagged his possessions with no leadership or MPs present
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It goes to show that his NCO's are conducting their barracks checks to insure he is not living like a slob, you as his NCO failed him by not conducting the checks prior to the chain of command doing a health and welfare
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