Posted on Apr 5, 2016
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After Trump stated that the woman should be punished for getting an illegal abortion, anti-abortion groups quickly criticized him for that. They said only the doctors should be held responsible. But if abortion is made illegal because it's considered murder, how can only the doctor be charged? If a woman pays someone to kill her 1 year old, they don't just charge the killer. See my response below for more discussion
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one must understand, there is a different between pro-life and anti-abortion. For anti-abortion seek to enact law to make abortion illegal (pro-life too), but anti-abortion is law centralized ideology. Pro-life, is life as the center. For the mother herself is also a life. The only cure for abortion is not law itself, it is love. the love of life, the lack of love is what cause the abortion to happen. That is the reason why pro-life standing in front of the abortion clinic to offer help, and also why anti-abortion protest in front of the clinic instead.

"If a woman pays someone to kill her 1 year old, they don't just charge the killer.", that is what you will not understand, the babies in the wombs, are absolutely depend on the mothers. At that stage, some pro-choice and pro-abortion see the mothers are enslaved by the babies. No amount of laws can convince them that is not slavery. Only the love of life itself can.

To punish the mothers, is like asking someone to embrace their nature gift (give birth) to justify their own existence. You must understand them before you can justify your own judgment toward them.

Abortion is not right at all, so does punishing someone that is cornered.It is the same argument with a father just to steal baby formula to feed his baby because of unemployment ... You must have heart to swing the sword of righteousness.
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PO2 Mark Saffell
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there I gave you an up vote so at least your back to even...LOL you didn't say anything that is a lie or deserved the down vote.
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LOL thanks. I would hate to have a setback on my quest for the coveted 5,000,000 point RP mug from the RP influence point catalog!
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Its just I hate when people use the down vote simply because they don't agree with another persons viewpoint. If someone blasts totally inaccurate info then yes I can see down votes...But NOT just because they disagree with the post.
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PO2 Mark Saffell
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LTC (Join to see) Not sure why you got the down vote. I agree. IF abortion was made illegal and a woman paid a doctor to do one under cover she did the same thing as paying someone to murder a 1 year old. Its not ever going to happen but I do agree. both should face punishment. I will even share my own opinion. Late Term abortions are murder when a baby is able to survive if delivered. Yes life starts with a heart beat. Yes HRC pissed the hard nose abortion supporters off when she called it a baby, because the only way they survive this debate is to make sure they call it a thing rather than what it really is...A Living Baby. Ever see the maturity shirts that have an arrow pointing down that say Baby On Board? I know your not a fan of HRC. Nor Trump. I have to agree with you. Trump, HRC, Sanders and Cruz aren't worth the water it would take to put them out if they where on fire and the world would be a better place without goons like those four. Just sorry that people are so fooled by those dipsticks.
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Why have a law when breaking it it has no consequences?

Oh, wait, we already have quite a dew don't we?
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1LT Christopher Sorge
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also arrest the man who can't keep it in his pants
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I don't support the view that fertilized eggs are people with constitutional rights; nor do I think abortions should be illegal. But their are people whose position is that starting at fertilization, that egg is a human being and getting an abortion is murdering it. My question though, is if you do believe that an abortion is murdering a human life, then how can your position be that the woman who pays the doctor to commit the murder is not guilty of accessory to murder, and should be held criminally liable along with the doctor? If a woman pays someone to kill any child after birth, she would be a criminal.

It seems to me this is a contradiction in the belief at best, and at worst it is a hypocritical attempt to hide the real intent from anti abortion bills by not scaring the women away and putting all the blame on the doctor. But if a doctor is committing murder, and the woman sought him out and paid him to do it, how can the woman not be? It seems to me the antiabortion groups were upset with Trump for spilling the beans on what the logical conclusion of their position really is. Ted Cruz immediately said that there should be no punishment for the woman who has an abortion, yet he is against abortion even in cases of rape, because it's killing another human being. Those two positions seem diametrically opposed to me.

NOTE: after seeing initial responses, I may not have made my question clear. I didn't want to rehash the "when is life life" or "should abortion be legal" debate. Rather, granting the republican platform position that abortions should be made illegal, and all the repub candidates saying they will appoint SCOTUS judges who want to overturn Roe v Wade and allow states to make abortions illegal again, should the women who have abortions be criminally liable for the death of the fetus? Major antiabortion groups and the leading repub candidates say no. But if an abortion is illegal because it's murder, then how can the women not be guilty of contributing to that murder? How could only the doctor face charges? That idea seems incongruous to me, and strikes me as a hypocritical position to try and make an abortion ban more acceptable.
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SP5 Christine Conley -no. there's a difference between a statute of limitations and an ex post facto law, which are unconstitutional.
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