Posted on Jan 31, 2018
If I went as an officer rather than enlisted would I be able to get "down and dirty" with my troops or would I be forced to be behind a desk?
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I'm currently a junior in high school and am mainly deciding if I would want to go as an officer or not. I've been talking to my recruiter and am currently on route to go to MEPS in the next few weeks and then basic between my Junior and senior year of high school (this summer), so that I'd be able to go reserves then later ROTC. My main issue is that I want to be a team member with my fellow soldiers rather than someone who sits behind a desk all day. I prefer to be active and that's whats making me consider enlisting instead. Also side question my recruiter says that I should choose the MOS at MEPS with the most educational benefits, but I am very hard set on going infantry as a 2nd LT, so I want to be certain I would be able to switch my MOS once I graduated. Thanks.
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It all depends. Officers do all of the mandatory training events and as a 2LT in a PL position you can expect to be getting dirty on occasion. Generally officers deal with paperwork in garrison. On deployment they do significantly more, but again that depends on your position. If the put you in an S-Shop, you'll only leave the TOC to go to chow or your rack. If you're a PL you along with your PSG will be going on patrols. If you're a company XO you'll be up to your eyeballs in work trying to make sure company logistics and maintenance is adequate.
If you're enlisted, you'll be working your ass off from go. Most NCOs treat SPCs that entered as SPCs similar to privates until they prove that they're responsible enough for responsibly. At this point they might give you a team if they see leadership potential and they're shorthanded. NCOs are responsible for training and most details in garrison. They're also directly in charge of all small unit levels until the platoon sized element. From then the PSG is officially in charge of beans and bullets, but unofficially runs the platoon and trains the LT to be a leader. 1SG is usually in charge of ensuring company level training is conducted and oversees personnel placement within the company. He also largely ensures that subordinate leaders are fulfilling their responsibilities. CSM does the same thing, but for battalions or higher.
If you're enlisted, you'll be working your ass off from go. Most NCOs treat SPCs that entered as SPCs similar to privates until they prove that they're responsible enough for responsibly. At this point they might give you a team if they see leadership potential and they're shorthanded. NCOs are responsible for training and most details in garrison. They're also directly in charge of all small unit levels until the platoon sized element. From then the PSG is officially in charge of beans and bullets, but unofficially runs the platoon and trains the LT to be a leader. 1SG is usually in charge of ensuring company level training is conducted and oversees personnel placement within the company. He also largely ensures that subordinate leaders are fulfilling their responsibilities. CSM does the same thing, but for battalions or higher.
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It depends on your MOS/AFSC. PV2 (Join to see) The day to day operations is in the hands of the enlisted. Your job as an officer is mostly to hand down orders from command and see that they are effectively carried out. How important is the officer rank to you? You can rise high in the enlisted and be closer to your team. Become informed and have a plan. Good luck to you.
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SFC Greg Bruorton
When I first enlisted in 1960 my preference was to become a senior noncom; never a thought toward becoming commissioned except for a slight pause in thought toward a Warrant Officer as a Huey pilot. Regardless, I kept my focus on the NCO ranks with the objective to attain master sergeant E8 because that was my comfort zone or commonly called "the Peter Principle."
Even as an NCO in some units, as in the Signal Corps, I was constantly reminded to exercise the directives and orders from my superiors and convey them to my subordinates with seldom a time to "get down and dirty" with them. In some units, as a noncom, you could get down with the lower enlisted in their duties, but that is the exception to the rule as I had learned.
Go in as enlisted and then make your decision to attend Officers Candidate School for a commission if that seems inviting enough.
Even as an NCO in some units, as in the Signal Corps, I was constantly reminded to exercise the directives and orders from my superiors and convey them to my subordinates with seldom a time to "get down and dirty" with them. In some units, as a noncom, you could get down with the lower enlisted in their duties, but that is the exception to the rule as I had learned.
Go in as enlisted and then make your decision to attend Officers Candidate School for a commission if that seems inviting enough.
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A1C Ian Williams
Sometimes, the best asset you can offer your unit is making sure they are well-supplied, that their work hours are managed, and the tasks are clearly defined. That is what a leader does. PV2 (Join to see)
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A1C Ian Williams
As a junior in high school, you have your whole life ahead. You should speak to as many people as possible on both the enlisted and officer side. You should also book some self-reflection time and ask yourself what you will contribute to the military. Know your strengths, banish your weaknesses and be proud to represent the best of our great nation!!! PV2 (Join to see)
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Thanks for all of your comments, I certainly have some thinking to do. I come from a military family and have no doubts that I want to serve but I just need to gather more info from people from all walks of the military life and then try to decide what’s best for the people I’ll be serving with and me. Again, thanks for the advice.
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Your leadership style is not defined by your rank. I have seen both. Both enlisted leaders and officers that have led from the front and the rear. Know this: a true leader is the servant of his subordinates.
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From my limited experience:
Enlisted personnel will do most of the "grunt" work, especially infantry. That means the floor mopping, grass mowing, humvee washing, etc. When they do training, the PL will generally participate in all of the same things (FTX, stress shoots, etc.), but don't pull guard shifts at night.
Thus, the officers do all of the training and infantry tasks that you want to do, but, while enlisted privates are practicing their area beautification skills, they will be doing admin work behind a desk.
Enlisted personnel will do most of the "grunt" work, especially infantry. That means the floor mopping, grass mowing, humvee washing, etc. When they do training, the PL will generally participate in all of the same things (FTX, stress shoots, etc.), but don't pull guard shifts at night.
Thus, the officers do all of the training and infantry tasks that you want to do, but, while enlisted privates are practicing their area beautification skills, they will be doing admin work behind a desk.
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From your experiences do you think the officers PLs/LTs in particular spend more time behind a desk doing LT things or training and getting to know their men?
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PFC Jim Wheeler
PV2 (Join to see) That depends entirely on the unit anf their training schedule.
In general, I would say yes, they do spend more time in an office doing admin stuff than training, but infantrymen in general spend more time doing non-infantry tasks than doing infantry tasks.
In general, I would say yes, they do spend more time in an office doing admin stuff than training, but infantrymen in general spend more time doing non-infantry tasks than doing infantry tasks.
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Yeah that does make sense, thanks. One more question though. Being a enlisted 11b vet do you think other infantrymen see infantry officers as less in that brotherhood or no? I’ve always been one for that kind of thing and it’s a huge part of why I’m joining in the first place.
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PFC Jim Wheeler
PV2 (Join to see), as with most things, that will depend more on what type of soldier you are than on what rank is on your chest.
If you are the type of guy who doesn't talk to your platoon members, get to know and trust them, then you will not be accepted by them. That is true whether you are a CPT or a PFC.
If you are the type of guy who doesn't talk to your platoon members, get to know and trust them, then you will not be accepted by them. That is true whether you are a CPT or a PFC.
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You can go in as infantry, get the experience, which will be valuable and swap MOS later. Most people I ever knew, including myself had at least 2 MOSs. Enlist if you want now, then you can go to OCS. Or you can go to college and go through ROTC. As an Lt, you'll be in the field for a few years before making it up to flag rank and getting stuck behind a desk.
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If your not getting down and dirty your not only not doing your job, you will achieve little respect from your troops because you are not acting as part of the Team. As an Officer, yes, you hold a higher responsibility but you're not there to be "Mr Clean!" Bottom line, you lead not only from the front, but you are the guide, the Intelligence, and the informer of the dirt at the front.
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It depends on what type of job you have. If you are an Infantry platoon leader you will have plenty of opportunities to share experiences with your soldiers. When I went to Infantry OSUT a long time a ago our company commander went through the obstacle course before any of us. He was covered in mud at the end but he showed he was willing to do everything we had to do. That's an example of good leadership.
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