Posted on May 22, 2022
If I'm going through a Chapter 8 for a twin pregnancy, and already did the clinic packet for separation, do I still participate in PT?
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Upon confirmation of your pregnancy (by examination or a lab test), your PCM should have created an electronic physical profile that is effective for the duration of the pregnancy
Although you are exempt from your regular physical training (PT) and testing during your pregnancy, it is mandatory for all pregnant and post partum soldiers to participate in Pregnancy Physical Training (PPT) and Postpartum Physical Training (PPT).
Your Chapter packet is NOT going to exempt you from any training.
Although you are exempt from your regular physical training (PT) and testing during your pregnancy, it is mandatory for all pregnant and post partum soldiers to participate in Pregnancy Physical Training (PPT) and Postpartum Physical Training (PPT).
Your Chapter packet is NOT going to exempt you from any training.
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LTC Jason Mackay
CPL (Join to see) the VA doesn’t really use your Phase II physical, they use findings as evidence but they examine you and evaluate the claim. If you get hurt, go to the MTF. Document. Ensure when you request your records that all of them are in there including off post providers. There is a transcription office at the hospital that does this. You’ll need that when you file the VA claim.
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LTC Jason Mackay
CPL (Join to see) sorry, what I was trying to say is that you can always add to a VA claim. I was lined up for disability before discharge and still did unit PT. As MAJ G says you’ll be in P3 PT
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MAJ (Join to see)
Let's back up a minute ... AR 135-178, Enlisted Separtations, Chapter 8 is for Entry Level Performance and Conduct. Chapter 6 discusses separation over pregnacy.
The only time someone would not be conducting PT after/during a medical examination is for a Medical Separation (MEB/PEB), which requies a P3 profile.
All Soldiers are medically screened prior to discharge to document phyical staus. It does not automatcally qualify anyone for VA. The Army has an obligation to (active) Soldiers to take care of them, the the screening is to ensure you are healthy/up-to-date on everything before your departure.
The only time someone would not be conducting PT after/during a medical examination is for a Medical Separation (MEB/PEB), which requies a P3 profile.
All Soldiers are medically screened prior to discharge to document phyical staus. It does not automatcally qualify anyone for VA. The Army has an obligation to (active) Soldiers to take care of them, the the screening is to ensure you are healthy/up-to-date on everything before your departure.
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SFC(P) Larry Nahalea
LTC Jason Mackay - Roger that. If you don't have a paper trail, then you are dead in the water.
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That whole thing about not doing PT after you get your separation physical is an Army urban myth. The chances of you being injured during Pregnancy Profile PT are below minimal. PPT is designed to minimize stress and injury during pregnancy and that leads to better results during pregnancy and delivery.
If you are injured, you just go to sick call and you can still add that to your VA claim when you separate, if you are significantly injured.
If you are injured, you just go to sick call and you can still add that to your VA claim when you separate, if you are significantly injured.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
CPL (Join to see) - Even with all that paperwork completed, you still have to follow policy and be at the right place, right time, and right uniform until separation. Not following policy could turn your exit from the US military into something very bad for you. No one is saying you have to partake in something bad for you or beyond your physical capabilities. You can refuse to do dangerous activities and if someone pushes the envelope, they get in trouble. If you are not present and against policy, you get in trouble.
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SFC (Verify To See) However it could cause serious damage. A twin pregnancy is already considered high risk and if i were to get hit in my head and fall over on the stands or in my stomach, it could potentially cause serious damage. I am well aware of being at the right place, right time, right uniform. I was simply asking for safety purposes after that incident. And for insight on them prolonging my chapter for personal gain. Thank you all for clarification.
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SFC(P) Larry Nahalea
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff - There's always an alternate event that the leadership will provide as long as it doesn't create additional harm or injury. Do you have a PT profile yet?
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Sir can you read the above comments as well. I would like your opinion on the situation.
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SGM Erik Marquez we are a detachment, so i have no access to my BN nor BDE. I have repeatedly sat down with my NCO and Commander with the full packet/documents and each meeting im told they are handling it. Weeks pass and there is no update. So I repeat the process again, the deadline is getting closer and i fear they will keep me here forcing me to stay in service and have my newborns overseas.
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SGM William Everroad
CPL (Join to see) there is no such thing as no access to BN or BDE CSM. We all have open door policies and engage as soon as we have information. The NCO support channel is designed to intervene when the Chain of Command misses something. If you can’t see them in person, give them a call. If you don’t you are not utilizing all the resources you have at your disposal.
Detachments are treat no differently than companies at the BN level, even if you are attached to a higher echelon, that CSM is tracking it.
Detachments are treat no differently than companies at the BN level, even if you are attached to a higher echelon, that CSM is tracking it.
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CPT (Join to see)
CPL (Join to see) - After reading this I understand the process you are dealing with much more. I would switch up a few things.
1. Do not give anyone a copy papers by hand. I would email everything. I would attach the documents you have for consideration and then request assistance. This will build a trails showing your attempts to do the right thing with a timestamp. I believe we are a professional Army but something leaders may not realize what they have.
2. Reach out to your units Family and Military Life Counselor. I would do this again with your email rather then just going in person.
3. Request an open door via, email with your BN CSM. I would email your BN CSM and CC your 1SG. I would just explain your concerns. The issue with many open doors is that Soldiers try to blame their leadership and have a higher command force them to do what they want. The open door is to assist with the concerns of Soldiers. Higher commands have more resources that companies don't have and they can use that.
3. Ask your leadership about what they think you should do. If your leadership expects you to stay there and give birth then they need to understand that you will be on leave for months and you would not be offering anything to the unit but take up a slot when you could be separated. They may realize they are kicking the can down the road rather than finding a solution.
1. Do not give anyone a copy papers by hand. I would email everything. I would attach the documents you have for consideration and then request assistance. This will build a trails showing your attempts to do the right thing with a timestamp. I believe we are a professional Army but something leaders may not realize what they have.
2. Reach out to your units Family and Military Life Counselor. I would do this again with your email rather then just going in person.
3. Request an open door via, email with your BN CSM. I would email your BN CSM and CC your 1SG. I would just explain your concerns. The issue with many open doors is that Soldiers try to blame their leadership and have a higher command force them to do what they want. The open door is to assist with the concerns of Soldiers. Higher commands have more resources that companies don't have and they can use that.
3. Ask your leadership about what they think you should do. If your leadership expects you to stay there and give birth then they need to understand that you will be on leave for months and you would not be offering anything to the unit but take up a slot when you could be separated. They may realize they are kicking the can down the road rather than finding a solution.
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SGM Erik Marquez
CPL (Join to see) - You have a local chain of command you fall under, even as a detachment. That COC will go from your detachment leadership to the senior person at your duty location.
I acknowledge, you may not know or understand that, and others may have led you astray...But I assure you I'm stating what I do from a position of personal experience and knowledge. I'm not guessing and I'm allowing you to leverage tactics I have personally used and seen used to great result over a long career, and many different units.
I acknowledge, you may not know or understand that, and others may have led you astray...But I assure you I'm stating what I do from a position of personal experience and knowledge. I'm not guessing and I'm allowing you to leverage tactics I have personally used and seen used to great result over a long career, and many different units.
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Oh, the journey of a twin pregnancy is quite something, isn't it? A friend of mine went through a similar phase. She was also enrolled in a program that required physical training, much like your Chapter 8 situation. When she found out about her twin pregnancy, the first thing she did was have a chat with her healthcare provider.
They decided together that she could continue with modified PT exercises that were safe for her and her twins. It's crucial to have open communication with your healthcare provider and the military personnel handling your case.
By the way, during her pregnancy, my friend found some helpful information about twin pregnancies and related topics on https://4babystuff.com/can-twins-cause-false-negative-pregnancy-test/ It's a great resource for gathering knowledge.
They decided together that she could continue with modified PT exercises that were safe for her and her twins. It's crucial to have open communication with your healthcare provider and the military personnel handling your case.
By the way, during her pregnancy, my friend found some helpful information about twin pregnancies and related topics on https://4babystuff.com/can-twins-cause-false-negative-pregnancy-test/ It's a great resource for gathering knowledge.
Can Twins Cause False Negative Pregnancy Test? - Baby Stuff
Explore the potential impact of twins on pregnancy tests in this insightful article. Unravel factors influencing accuracy, from hCG levels to test
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There are a few things going on. Your profile for being pregnant will excuse you from things you can't do in your current condition but if they are running or playing sports you can't participate in you should be doing something else as an alternative. Maintaining accountability during training evolutions or PT has less to do about you and more about how people before you abused the system and now they have to micromanage folks.
Doing something low impact is good for you unless you are already to the point you are on half days or bed rest.
But just as SFC Boyd said, it is a myth that you can opt out of Unit activities after the final physical. You are still a part of the unit until you aren't. If something happens you can go to medical, get it documented and it will be something you can associate with a VA claim down the road. The final physical isn't the only thing the VA references. I was able to get documentation added to my record the week I was medically retired.
Doing something low impact is good for you unless you are already to the point you are on half days or bed rest.
But just as SFC Boyd said, it is a myth that you can opt out of Unit activities after the final physical. You are still a part of the unit until you aren't. If something happens you can go to medical, get it documented and it will be something you can associate with a VA claim down the road. The final physical isn't the only thing the VA references. I was able to get documentation added to my record the week I was medically retired.
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Yes, you will still be required to conduct unit PRT within the confines of the profile given to you by your military medical provider. If your provider did NOT give you one, then you need to go back and get one.
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Hold up. If you are getting a Chapter 8, that ain't because you're pregnant. Chapter 8 is an entry level conduct or performance (trainee) discharge. Chapter 6 is pregnancy. One is self explanatory (Chapter 6), the other is usually for "inability to adjust" to military life, fraudulent enlistment, or just being an air thief. In either case, you are still obliged to attend and participate in any and all training, unless issued a valid profile by competent medical authority.
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You are required to be at your appointed place of duty at the appointed time, in the correct uniform unless exempted from such by your commander thru the NCO support channel.
Unless you are exempted from PT formations and actual PT by a profile then yes you are required to both physically be present and participate within the limits of your profile. Your chapter packet alone exempts you of nothing. I would suggest talking with your squad leader/section sergeant to come up with a solution. If your commander is sitting on paperwork then a visit to his commander through their open door policy might be in order. Before you do that make it clear to your NCO chain that is your intention.
Unless you are exempted from PT formations and actual PT by a profile then yes you are required to both physically be present and participate within the limits of your profile. Your chapter packet alone exempts you of nothing. I would suggest talking with your squad leader/section sergeant to come up with a solution. If your commander is sitting on paperwork then a visit to his commander through their open door policy might be in order. Before you do that make it clear to your NCO chain that is your intention.
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Yes. I have had this issue in the past. There is no regulation or policy that exempts a Soldier from PT after they had a physical. Often, it is down as a courtesy to aid them in the transition process. If you were going to interviews or meetings for your transition then your command may exempt you from PT. If your command has not exempted you then it is your place of duty. You should be going to P3T instead of going to your regular units PT. If that isn't happening then you should ask your leadership about it.
The physical is meant to roll up your injuries from service. If you are injured after your physical then you will just get a new physical. I have had Soldiers and NCOs claim they could do anything after a physical. After reviewing all of the policies I could and consulting legal they were told to conduct PT or be held accountable.
The physical is meant to roll up your injuries from service. If you are injured after your physical then you will just get a new physical. I have had Soldiers and NCOs claim they could do anything after a physical. After reviewing all of the policies I could and consulting legal they were told to conduct PT or be held accountable.
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